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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    Out of 60 some English translations 6 say "man" 56 say "one" 1 says "nobody" 1 says "creature" We don't or shouldn't form doctrine from a single verse. We take all verses on a subject to form doctrine. The angel cried WHO is worthy. 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    All you are saying is, you still don't understand Rev. 4 & 5. God is drawing a picture for us with words, for the purpose of a context for the first seals. I know, your point of view is, "i am right - why are you not believing what I'm saying..." Well, I could say the same thing, but I...
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    Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

    It is indeed strange: for the early church fathers had the very same Epistles of Paul that we have, and they had the book of Revelation. One would think that then and now would make no difference. However, we still can't agree NOW, there being at least four camps of "tribbers." One thing is...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    36 like servants waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, This is a simile: His coming will be LIKE a man coming from His wedding banquet. Another feast is not a requirement in a simile. Indeed, Jesus' Rev. 19 coming will be Him coming from a wedding banquet. I would need...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    Of course you are free to believe anything. But you are pulling seal 2 out of context. You are 2000 years off in your theories on these first seals. I understand, it is 2000 years since the first readers got to read John's letter. We need to read it as if we were in one of those 7 churches and...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    I personally think they all heard the SAME Olivet discourse, but the Holy Spirit caused Luke to emphasize one part of it, and Matthew and Mark to emphasize another part. My point was, IN THE FUTURE the city will be surrounded and attacked just as it was in 70 AD, but this time Jesus will come...
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    Dr Caroline Leaf 'Cleaning up Your Mental Mess' (It's a book)

    All those that Paul got saved and eventually us today were grafted into the Jewish tree! However, I agree with you. The parenthesis that is the Gentile church of today I think start when God sent Paul to the Gentiles. And I am WOF. Did you ever really study the Hebrew words in Isaiah 53? He...
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    Dr Caroline Leaf 'Cleaning up Your Mental Mess' (It's a book)

    It's very simple: if you don't want God's healing power, then you can go to the doctor. Just keep in mind, doctor's practice medicine, but God perfected it. If a deadly disease attacks someone, often doctors fail. Jesus never fails. Perhaps you never notice Matthew 8:17 proves the Isaiah 53...
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    50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

    Your's is a theory, just not what is written. Follow the script! The great crowd too large to number is in heaven in chapter 7. (The just raptured church) The beast is revealed and rises to power in chapter 13. After him the False Prophet shows up. Together they get an image and mark created...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    Are you saying that the marriage and supper will take place in the millennial kingdom?
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    More lies and hate. You amaze me. just because you don't agree with me, you say terrible things about me. Shame on you! We are brothers in Christ. Just so you know, I was born again when I was 7, filled with the Spirit when I was 20. Most of my life I have served our Lord. I have never doubted...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    I think the confirming of the covenant - what ever that means - will be done in secret. Why? Because neither John nor Jesus spoke about it. Jesus went from church age: "the end is not yet" to mentioning the end, and then jumped right to the midpoint abomination. I have often wondered why. Then...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    First off, Jesus NEVER SAID THAT! 10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: [wars from Matthew 24 as church age events] 11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    The truth you spew is YOUR truth and only your truth. You only THINK it is God's truth. How about this: when I am in heaven after the rapture, I will look you up and ask how your doctrine worked for you. And I will tell you how mine worked for me. Deal?
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    It does not fit: It is generally taught in pretrib circles that it will be the confirming of the covenant that allows the temple to be built. If this is the case, Then the temple will be erected - probably soon into the first 1260 days. I suspect all the blocks are hewn and ready. So they...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    The truth is, the CHURCH goes forth overcoming and to overcome. It started when Jesus told them to go - you know, right around the time He ascended! ;-) Again you are off by a mile trying to force judgment upon Jesus the moment He ascended back into heaven. STOP pulling verses out of context...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    The problem is, you made it appear that "toxon's main use was of deception! In truth, you would have to STRETCH to make ANY use of "toxon" to mean deception. It is a bow to shoot arrows, plain and simple.
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    What possible meaning can parallel wording of Lam. 2 have to Revelation when it was about Nebuchadnezzar's destruction of Jerusalem way back around 586 BC? "And then" does not have to mean instantly. Matthew 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long...
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    So find scripture to back this up! I am not just going to take your word for it!
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    When did (will) Jesus open the first seal in Rev. 6 and what does it represent?

    You are trying to make it seem as if deception is the MAIN use of Toxon. That is just wrong. I can see why posttribbers think we twist scripture. I think there is FAR MORE proof that Bow as the Greek TOXON means a bow to shoot an arrow. I looked up every mention of Toxon in the Greek...