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whosoever believeth in him should not perish - These are not words of Jesus, they are John's. but some time harder - You're right! Jesus brought the law of Moses to a higher level.

Jesus, while on Earth, mostly preached the law of Moses to the Jews. After the resurrection, the Lord used Paul to preach salvation by grace through faith.

Thanks, DeighAnn, for helping me prove my point. The purpose of this thread is to test my point of view about the ministry of the Lord Jesus on Earth. I believe that Jesus mostly preached the law of Moses to the Jews and used Paul as a spokesman, after the resurrection, to preach to the...

Asking Law-keepers to provide us with a list of effective Mitzvot is the same as asking a flat-earther to show us a map of the "flat" Earth.

Hi, Eli, thanks for your input. Law-keepers in this forum want us (non Law-keepers) to keep the law of Moses. How can we keep it if we don't have a list of effective ordinances? They claim that some laws apply to Christians and others don't and I just want them to provide us with a list of...

Sorry, it's snack time. I'll be back later.

OK, but I still think you should put together a list of effective Mitzvot.

Oh, sorry, I was busy with a phone call. It seems to me that the temple referred to in that verse is a physical temple, not a spiritual one. The Hebrews were supposed to show reverence to the temple where they worshiped God.

Because the Bible says that if I break one of the commandments I'll be guilty of breaking all of them.

If the Holy Spirit should ever guide me to keep the Sabbath, I will do it.

Many brothers in my denomination say that the church building is a holy place, but only during the service. Outside that period of time the building deserves respect, but not admiration as the word "reverence" encompasses. But the important point being discussed here is this: Why don't...

Hi, SG, the pronoun "us" refers to the recipients of your teachings.

I have very little knowledge of Hebrew, but I think each item of the law of Moses is called Mitzvah (plural: Mitzvot). If I were to put together a list of effective Mitzvot the total number of items in it would be ZERO because Paul said we are not under the Law. Here is another Mitzvah: To...

I'm just giving you an opportunity to convince us that Christians are to keep the Law of Moses. With a list of effective Mitzvot in hand it will be easier for us to see your point.

Jews are proud to say they are circumcised, but OK, you don't have to answer personal questions. But you can answer this question: Do you think Christians should get circumcised? You gave us important information about fruit younger than 3 years. See? It is important to publish a list of...

I know the list already exists. Here is a copy of it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments Just delete all items that no longer apply and you'll have a list of effective Mitzvot. I can't do it myself because I'm not a Law-keeper, so we need one of you Law-keepers to do this job.

OK! I am not circumcised; are you? I don't observe the following ordinance: Do not eat fruit of a tree during its first three years (Lev. 19:23); do you?

You didn't answer my question; did you get circumcised or not? Circumcision doesn't have to be done at the eighth day; it can be done at a later date. You didn't give me any example of ordinance that you keep. When I said "and others don't (keep)" my only intention was to make clear that I was...

Thanks, SG! So, you mean you don't need a list of effective ordinances because you're guided by the Holy Spirit. But can you give me then a few examples of Mitzvot that you keep and other Christians don't? For example: Did you get circumcised?

Thanks, Deade, but I don't understand why Law keepers are so reluctant to give us a list of effective ordinances. With such a list in hand it would be easier for us to understand what you guys teach.