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No it's not saying that and I'll tell you my point. "THINK" for a second and read the context and follow the sequence of events which Jesus describes starting at Luke 21:10. Nation will rise against nation. Vs11, "earthquakes, famine and plagues. Vs12, "Before all these things take place they...

Correction in my second sentence. It should read, "Of course God HAS NOT destined us for wrath. My mistake! :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

You know this is really getting old by you guys and this "wrath" thing. Of course God has destined us for wrath because were His children. Did you read the context before you quoted 1 Thessalonians 5:9? I don't think did j146. Look at vs2 (and I'm going to parapharse the verses). "For you...

What "fantasy" world are you living in when you said the following: "I believe in pre-trib rapture.... why? because that is how I want it to be!" That's like saying, "I'm going to whistle in the dark hoping the dark will go away." This is nothing more than "wishful thinking?" And why are you...

I can tell you why? If you look at the context at John 13:36 Peter said to Jesus, "where are you going?" Jesus then at John 14:1 says, "Let your heart not be troubled etc." So the short answer is that Jesus is "REASSURING" His diciples because they were troubled by the depressing occurrences of...

First of all over 30 or 40 years I use to believe in the pretrib rapture taught Hal Lindsey and his ilk. I finally came to my senses by doing extensive study and changed my position according to Biblical facts. Now, it is true that Jesus mentioned Noah at Matthew 24:37-39 but the point Jesus...

Wait a minute, before I address your question (and I can) you first have to tell me where the pretrib rapture occurs in what I posted from Matthew 24? Point it out without hip hoping to Matthew 25 the next chapter. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

Excuse me but how does John 14:1-3 "PROVE" a pretrib second coming or rapture? What your doing is simply quoting some verses without any sort of a time line to prove those scriptures are identifying a rapture? Anyone can state a position but as far as I have been taught one has to "PROVE" their...

I'm laughing to myself because I absolutely knew you were't going to be far behind brother in responding. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

From what I have been reading in your post I believe you should keep it simple. In other words, I would start out by reading the gospel of John which identifies and proves that Jesus Christ is God and believing in Him you will have life. This was the authorial intent the Apostle John was making...

May I ask you a couple of questions? Is this what you personally believe? If not, do you want more scriptual proof of the pre-trib rapture than the ones that you mentioned? Or do you have doubts and want to entertain another position? :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

Facinating testomony and welcome to Christian Chat. I have a couple of questions (maybe three) if you don't mind. When you really young what church did you attend? Secondily, what church was it that was doing the casting out demons thing? What preachers and teachers were you listening to on tv...

It looks like I got demoted oseas? I went from you accusing me of being the "Devil incarnate" to a dog. When are you going to grow up and actually give some Biblical evidence that Michael the arcangel is not Jesus and that Michael was not born but instead he was created by Jesus Christ. Here...

What's hard to understand is your foolish and unbiblical post. If I was to descend from a moutain top and used my voice to bark like a dog, would I actually be a dog? Of course not. Secondly, where is your Biblical proof with verses that Michael the arcangel was born? When Jesus was born it...

So what do we have here oseas? We have a guy, (assuming you are a guy) who is unable to address the Biblical facts given. Instead, your sole purpose was to portray me as the "Devil incarnate." Am I mad, not at all. I feel sorry for you and not only will I pray for you I hope others around here...

Boy, are you ever off the rails with your theology. Who is teaching you this stuff and what church do you attend, (if you even go to church) or what "cult" are you involved in? I'll go first, I atttend a Calvary Chapel Church, how about you? You said I was "dissimulate" which means I concela or...

Thank you, it was my honor! IN GOD THE SON, bluto

I have to ask how old are you oseas? Secondly, how long have you claimed to be a Christian? I ask because is that the best you have that I"m going to be punished in the millenium? And then your also accusing me of having a "disquised spirit of confusion?" Then you now show up "backpeddling" on...

Ok, then who are the "despaired" ones that you know that think they can have salvation without a gloriried body? I'm asking because I have never heard of this before. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto

From what you just said here I think I need some clarification. Do you claim to be a Christian and if so do you have salvation without having a glorified body yet? Secondly, who are these people your talking about that claim that they have salvation without having a glorified body? :eek: IN GOD...