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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    Nothing here about limited atonement. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Which of your scriptures do you claim, “refutes” this truth? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21 JPT
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:26 Abraham was declared to be righteous (justified) when he obeyed God, and offered his son Isaac on the altar. Do you believe this to be true? JLB
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    Unfortunatly for you and your heresy, the term limited atonement s not found in any of the verses you quoted.
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    You took a bunch of one liners from other passages (not the context) and tried to apply them to James 2:21. Just another reason why your doctrine is not acceptable. Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21 Faith came to Abraham...
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    Never said they did.
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    Go back and read what I said. I didn’t say “the elect were Jews only”. I said each passage the context is to stand on its own, to see what the author is referring to. But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose...
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    The elect of that passage were faithful Jews. What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. The Jews were blinded. Not all of Israel is Israel. JPT
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    So being justified has nothing to do with salvation. You err not knowing the scriptures. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith...
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    Another reference to Jews, those who are chosen as the bloodline of the Messiah.
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    My point is to show that the elect, also need salvation, meaning that they do not automatically have salvation. Some try to frame they word elect as meaning “automatically and irreversible saved”. I a person believes the elect are they only people who are saved, then this verse directly...
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    I think we can agree that Paul plainly stated that the elect were in need of salvation. I see the context… Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed of David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel, for which I suffer trouble as an evildoer, even to the point of chains; but the word...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    LOL!!! Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? The work Abraham did was to obey God to offer his son Isaac on the altar. Where were the “others” Abraham was supposedly demonstrating his faith to? Men do not justify us. God and God alone...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Yes, these folks rejected the gift of eternal life because they were being persecuted as Christians, and wanted the persecution to stop and therefore save their lives. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    This statement by you explains a lot. You don’t understand what Jesus is teaching in the parable, for starters. These folks in verse 13, who believe for awhile, are being persecuted BECAUSE they are Christians, which contextually refers to being persecuted by unbelieving Jews. They turn...
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    Sorry bro, the elect refers to the Jews in the verse I quoted. Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10 the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation Paul...
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    No mention of the elect here. The elect mostly refers to the Jews in the Bible. Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10 the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Jesus said these “believed”. Tell what more does a person need to do to be saved? But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:13 Jesus stated that the...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Yes so true. Luke’s version says it this way — Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these...
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    Are we saved by faith alone or is works necessary?

    There is no such thing as “faith alone” in the Bible. It’s a clear contradiction to the principle of faith. Faith must have the action of obedience or else it remains incomplete and inactive, dormant or “dead”, and thus unable to produce the intended Divine result. Paul says it this way...