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  1. Ahwatukee

    The most Amazing End time prophecy of them all

    The Woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve starts in Revelation 12:1 needs no cosmic allegorical interpretation. God's word gives us the answer to these same symbols in Genesis 37:9-10: ============================================================...
  2. Ahwatukee

    The most Amazing End time prophecy of them all

    Hello ZNP, The key to understanding the chronological time-line in Revelation is given in Rev.1:19 when the Lord told John to write: What you have seen = everything written from Rev.1:1 thru 1:19 What is Now = Represented by the letters to the seven churches and which represents the entire...
  3. Ahwatukee

    Hi, I’m new here

    Greetings and Welcome, Renee! Hope to see you out on the Forum.
  4. Ahwatukee

    Hello brothers and sisters in the Lord

    Good day, TLIMR, Just curious, since the 7th trumpet takes place in the middle of the seven years, which is identified by Israel being cared for out in the wilderness for 1260 days and which is representing the last 3 1/2 years of that seven period in 30 day month increments, then how can the...
  5. Ahwatukee

    Hello brothers and sisters in the Lord

    The Day of the Lord (wrath of God), takes place after the gathering of the church and is initiated by the Lamb's opening of the first seal rider on the white horse which is representing the emergence of the antichrist. Revelation 12 where Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven, is the...
  6. Ahwatukee

    What is the strong delusion of 2 Thessalonian 2:11,12s 2

    Hello Sakla, First of all, you are misapplying scriptures. Those who say Lord, Lord has nothing to do with the delusion spoken of in 2 Thess.2:9. Here is the scripture: ================================================================================= The coming of the lawless one will be...
  7. Ahwatukee

    Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

    Jesus didn't preach salvation to those spirits in Hades who died in the flood. Once a person dies their record is sealed (see Luke 16:19-31). There is no offer of salvation after death. "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who...
  8. Ahwatukee

    Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

    Then, you're blind! What do you think "forever and ever" means? As well as them having "no rest day or night?" These support conscious existence in torment. It is so straight forward that you have to circumvent the scripture in order to reject what it's saying. Have you lost your reasoning? If...
  9. Ahwatukee

    What is the strong delusion of 2 Thessalonian 2:11,12s 2

    Well, you really can't apply that line of thinking here. This is why I presented Rev.19:20, because it identifies the beast and the false prophet as two individuals and not as a collective name representing many. The scripture says "the two of them were captured and thrown alive into the lake of...
  10. Ahwatukee

    ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

    That is exactly the reason for your error. They are not the same event. One is to gather the church and the other is the Lord returning to the earth to end the age. Since God's wrath takes place prior to the Lord's return to the earth and the church is not appointed to suffer God's wrath, then...
  11. Ahwatukee

    Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

    Hello Magenta, "A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be...
  12. Ahwatukee

    ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

    It is you who needs to reread the scripture that you posted above. Here is the same scripture again except I will highlight the most important part that you missed, which is "the Day of the Lord": "Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we...
  13. Ahwatukee

    Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

    And just as the spirits of the wicked are conscious and aware after the first death, so will they also be conscious and aware in the second death. Otherwise, if we were to use your reasoning, after the first death people should become nonexistent. The event of the rich man and Lazarus is a good...
  14. Ahwatukee

    ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

    Wrong! We continue to show you the proof, but you cannot receive it, but continue to reject it. "Because you have kept My command to persevere, I will also keep you out of the hour of testing that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." The 'hour of...
  15. Ahwatukee

    Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

    The "Second Death" is another name representing the lake of fire. It says nothing about annihilation or anyone ceasing to exist. Think about it: the previous poster attempted to show that the term "Second Death" as meaning annihilation. Yet, when they died the first death, i.e. the death of the...
  16. Ahwatukee

    Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

    Forgive me, as I may be reading your post wrong. I agree with everything else you wrote, but why would the millennial teaching set you free from believing that millions and millions of human souls will spend eternity in hell? Who are the millions and millions that you were referring to?
  17. Ahwatukee

    ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

    Friend, I have been going over Revelation for over 45 years, so I have gone over everything more than I can count and continue to do so. I live in the book of Revelation, as I am always in it. It has become the grand central station of the Bible for me. So please don't infer that I am not...
  18. Ahwatukee

    ALERT: THE VACCINE MIGHT BE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

    First Seal = Symbolically represents the antichrist and which Initiates God's wrath Since the the church is not appointed to suffer God's wrath, then we must be removed prior to the first seal being opened, which again is representing the revealing of the antichrist. The seals, trumpets and...
  19. Ahwatukee

    Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

    Thank you! I will try that next time.