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    What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

    A day to the Lord is as a thousand years, refers to the “Sabbath day” of rest being a thousand years, in which we reign and rule with Christ here on earth with Him for a thousand years after He returns and removes the enemies and casts the devil and his angels into hell. We have been here 6000...
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    What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

    The age to come comes after the last day. Some would have us believe He raises us up, seven years before the last day. :oops: JPT
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    NO falling away…Just a free ride… with Jesus.

    Pre-trib rapture doctrine is not from God. The resurrection and rapture happen at His coming. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 The antichrist is...
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    NO falling away…Just a free ride… with Jesus.

    The resurrection and rapture occur at His coming. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord...
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    NO falling away…Just a free ride… with Jesus.

    It's a departure from the faith. To fall away, apostasy, means to depart from Christ, to serve other gods. Paul plainly stated the resurrection and rapture happens at His coming.
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    Is faith a work?

    Faith is a noun. Believe is a verb. Obey is a verb. Faith comes to us by hearing Him speak to us; by hearing His word. So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17 When we receive faith from God, it comes to us, both dormant and incomplete and must be...
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    What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

    Paul is teaching the same exact event in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:4 and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. Both of these passages contextually pertain to the coming of the Lord. The coming of the Lord is the Day of the Lord; the Day of Christ. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who...
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    What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

    The rapture comes after the resurrection. The resurrection occurs at His coming. we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the...
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    What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

    It does say they will be caught up together. The Resurrection comes first in which the dead in Christ will rise first. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. For this we say...
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    What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

    I agree. Amen! The only thing I see that may be a little different is the great tribulation is 3.5 years, and begins in the middle of the week, Daniel’s 70th week which is a 7 year period. It’s seems we agree on all the important things, which is frightening. JPT
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    What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

    Yes the physical bodies of the saints in heaven who have died (the dead in Christ) are in the grave, and will be resurrected from the dead at His coming. JPT
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    What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

    Amen, the resurrection is before the rapture and occurs at His coming; the same coming in which the antichrist is destroyed. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 JPT
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    What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

    No. All who are resurrected and raptured will stay with the Lord as He returns to earth to destroy the wicked and reign and rule from His throne on earth, In Jerusalem for 1000 years. The same coming of the Lord by which the Church is resurrected and raptured, is the same coming by which the...
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    What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

    Yes, the dead in Christ refers to those who have died “in Christ”; when they died, they were “in Christ”, and will return with the Lord to earth at the end of the age, on the last day, to receive their glorified bodies, along with those who are alive and remain alive at His coming. even so...
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    What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

    My view is close to yours. At His coming, the dead in Christ (resurrected one’s) are raised and those who are alive and remain (raptured ones) are caught up together to meet the Lord in the air. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the...
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    What does "the coming of the Lord" in the NT refer to?

    The coming of the Lord, (Parousia) refers to His visible return to earth, with His saints from heaven, (the dead in Christ) to gather His people together at the resurrection and rapture and destroy the wicked, including the antichrist. As you already pointed out, the resurrection and rapture...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Utter and complete nonsense. Classic twisting of God’s word! Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? James 4:4 The world = those who are lost JPT
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Jesus is the truth. Jesus words are true. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    The is blatantly false. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16 JPT