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Only God knows who the Elect are. We don't. As far as we are concerned everybody is potentially elect (unless they are Apostate, meaning they once served God heartily but have fallen away). There is nothing wrong with praying for all of these above. In fact you should !!

I like this answer best so far. I think so more illumination around this topic may be worth consideration. Below is the opening of the book of Hebrews. Hebrews 1 1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken...

You may only get a one liner in response.

OK just for the record @preacher4truth : - you don't believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is relevant any longer -you don't believe in the Operation of the Gifts of the Spirit today - you don't believe in a literal 1000 millennial reign of Christ from Jerusalem -you believe that the words...

Open question to the CC community. We see this piece in John 6: Verse 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. And then we see a few verses later Verse 44-45 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I...

Well spotted Nehemiah. There are most certainly saints in heaven already (before Jesus returns to judge the Beast and his armies). This is because of the first rapture of the Church. There is a second rapture for Israel elect (Matthew 24), which does happen at the end of the tribulation.

All of you are playing @Dave-L 's game. There is no solid foundation in his doctrine, and he is denying the plain scriptures. Nor is he teachable. And other than only 1 or 2 people here @notuptome and @preacher4truth who seem to agree with him, his views are totally contrarian to what is common...

Good question. CAN ANYBODY GIVE ANY SINGLE SCRIPTURE THAT THE GIFTS ARE NO LONGER IN OPERATION?

And I respect that. No issues. If you want to explore the 2 raptures PM me and we can discuss off thread.

The will he find faith on the earth is said more from a perspective of edification and rebuke (in the context above) But yes, the reality is it will be very difficult in those days. Look what is written in Daniel 12: Daniel 12 5 Then I, Daniel, looked; and there stood two others, one on this...

Adstar, there are two raptures in the bible for the saints of God. The first one is the Chrurch and it occurs before the start of the 7 year tribulation period. The second is for Israel (and the few elect who remain alive) at the end of the tribulation. Matthew 24 refers to the second rapture.

Are you actually arguing just to stir things up?

Nope. You are wrong.

It is not as you are referring to above. Those raptured are not martyred. Some of those left behind are. These are the ones who know that they have missed the rapture and are cut to the heart, because they did not prepare themselves. These are those found in faith and repentance, who are now...

Probably, but I fear not too many will. Seven years is a long time to buck the system. Unless you have an off the grid system of self sustenance already in place its going to be very, very, hard. Nobody can buy or sell anything without taking the Mark, and all who take the Mark are condemned...

@Dave-L I believe in the Holy Scriptures I believe that these scriptures are from the original Hebrew and Greek I believe there is traceability and confirmation of the accuracy of the original Hebrew and Greek due to the number of manuscripts that exist We have translations into English (and...

Do you believe that Jesus' words in John 14v12 are no longer applicable ?

No doubt there are charlatans in the church today, who claim miracles, but which haven't occurred. But this in no way takes away from the fact that miracles DO occur. You throw the baby out with the bathwater....as the saying goes.

John 14 12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My...

Great ! Let's get into in when it appears.