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Mt24:39 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Thank you for your response. Your quotes about the word Apostasy while accurate do not make the case about the rapture.The events in Mt.24 took place by 70ad. Those events have taken place already. No rapture was involved. In the Parallel passage found in Luke it is clear... Luke17: 26 And as it...

This has nothing to do with the Rapture. Those" taken" are taken in judgment.

Some people have put forth the idea God gives men "partial grace". That is not enough to actually save them, but just make them savable. Then it is up to the man to save themselves. The truth is God in mercy saves His people from start to finish, as sin has alienated MEN FROM GOD

Hello GWH, The concept of previent grace is not scriptural

it was from GWH...the last ten posts

You cannot invent a god who does what you think He should do. God who is perfect in all His Holy attributes, has planned to save all he can, in His perfect and Holy wisdom and justice. He cannot save one more, or one less.

Do you understand what the bible reveals about the Fall into sin and death? From your post I would say You have missed it! You like many others seek to blame God for mans sin...it cannot happen my friend!

Do you think you have a better plan than God? God is perfect in every way.

There is no debate. There is the truth of the doctrines of grace, and those who oppose the truth.

Hello PH, Some truths are in the words of peter....hard to be understood.God's ways and thoughts are much higher than ours. However revealed truths are for us if we search the answers out.

hmmmm, what???

Having been born spiritually dead, in Adam, and living as enemies of God, and bound by their own sin they refuse to believe as they love sin, rather than God and His word. from the 1689 Confession of faith Paragraph 3 By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels...

You do not worship anyone's "view of God". Believers worship the true and living God, by the Spirit giving them a new heart when they are born again, born from above. Jesus revealed this here: jn4 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men...

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The question was what is needed for justification, it is only to believe in the person and work of Christ..... 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

No...they are scattered throughout time since Genesis, and beyond us today.

Before creation all who are elected were elected at that time. God saves all them.

God does not call or declare them Innocent of Adams sin. They are guilty. It is indicating that they were not the cause or blame for the current baal worship. Why do you think you can ignore the plain truth of man after the fall?

1tim3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.