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I have not said so. It's just that I don't buy into imposters claim of being israelites. Israel is just a wordly political state. Not "formed by God" more or less than any other national state. If you think today's Israel are the same people as the ancient hebrews you're only ignorant. And it...

Yes, they actually did. But since you do not believe this, it makes no sense to you.

Are you implying that the Disciples were not saved because of what it says in Luke 18:34? Or what? Doesn't look good this.

That's all you got? One scripture? No. What the zionists dream up is not what the Bible teaches, seen in the light of all scripture. Some jews will repent though, and they are already doing so now. Let's focus on that and totally drop this political "pro-state of Israel" thingy.

Tiresome because most of them would gainsay you? And for me Spurgeon is not always a reliable resource. There is no justification for this "christian zionist" lunacy. Oh by the way, Charles Taze Russell was a "christian zionist" big time. Joseph Smith's buddy Orson Hyde was one too. There you...

Jesus says there is no other way to the Father but by him (John. 14:6). Peter says that the remission of sins prior to the cross was received through faith in His name (Acts 10:43). Paul says there is but one gospel and it is the same gospel preached in the days of Moses as in the days of Paul...

Don't make a hen of a feather, will you? That they didn't understand every thing that was to come regarding these events in those very days does NOT mean that they were ignorant of the principles that applied to atonement and the sufferings of the Messiah. That they knew about this we have all...

Are you to sit in judgment of St Peter and his possible lack of knowledge, or what is your purpose with such a question?

So you mean to say that none "understood" any of the types and shadows that foreshadowed Christ's works? The gospel is the good news about salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ alone. Your "logic" leaves too much to wish.

And the question is: can you do any of this without faith? Of course not.

If there was some misunderstanding from my part before, then let's drop that. Of course I hold to that same gospel is preached throughout the Bible, whatever scripture you find. Now, may I ask in return what your point is with that particular scripture?

Well, agreed there. I didn't know about Hagee's affairs, only about Scofiield the scoffer. So, thanks for the info. Often deadly heresies have some connotation to iniquities.

It is a variance of same, yes.

Some misunderstanding here maybe? And of course only one gospel, both testaments.

So you mean to say that one can commit adultery and then stop committing adultery some time before death and that would be OK? What time frame would we then be talking about? Not sure exactly how you mean here. But I do believe that a saved person can fall into sin, however he or she will...

Nope. What are you putting into that then?

The question is not whether apostates "were ever christians" or "TRULY belonged to Jesus" etc, the question is whether there really exists an apostasy and a falling away - and it does.

Aha. OK. Well I hold to one single covenant of grace (renewed in the New Testament) and one single gospel preached in both covenants. Same principles applies.

That is another question altogether if these people were ever "in Christ", they were in the church and they departed. See also Heb.6:6. This means that there are people who call themselves christians and they are plants. Even if they claim or think they are saved they are not. Their works and...

Not exactly sure what you mean with "DBR"?