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You missed the most important people that Jesus gave us. See Ephesians 4:11 Ephesians 4:11 King James Version (KJV) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; If we do not have living apostles and prophets can we ever come to the...

The thing about Jesus is that he was God, but humbled himself to become our servant. He was an incredibly powerful man, but the most humble of men. Be ye thererfore like him, or you will in no wise have EL.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ So once you are saved, you are always saved. We get that, that is what OSAS means. But there are many scriptures that tell us that OSAS is not true...

You can have all of the above, but John says: John 15:1-3 King James Version (KJV) 15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Notice...

No, but I would consign to hell a pastor or any Christian that was once a shining example of pure Christian living, was baptized of the spirit, and saved by faith, only to turn on the Savior, and declare that Jesus is not the Christ and try to convince his/her friends to give up Christianity in...

That is an interesting (non-biblical) angle.

He is talking to those that have the truth in unrighteousness. What do you think of a person who has the truth. Do you think that they knew God at least at one time? Do you think they were saved at one time? Do you think they had the truth and all that goes with knowing the truth and gave it...

This is all that we need. Wise men see evil coming and prepare for it. Good advice decon.

I do see your point. So I will change my example. How many Christians do you know that said they were baptized of the Spirit and have been saved, and were on fire for a while in Jesus. But then something happened and they lost their love for Jesus and turned from him? How many Christians do...

Peter is a good example of a person that turned and denied Jesus, but did repent and make his way back. Jesus fully forgave him of his misstep, and Peter died with honor in Jesus. How many Peter types do you know. How many others do you know that have never returned, have never repented, and...

To me it is essential to salvation to be baptized of the Holy Spirit ( remember your experience as you were baptized of the Holy Spirit to know the details) and baptized of full immersion in water. Then once this is done, you work for the KOG until the end. If you start out on fire, and are...

You have a point. Let me revise the example. I was baptized of the Holy Spirit, and have faith in Jesus and trust in Jesus and my new person and as so many in the bible start out on fire for Jesus, but then something happens and they start slowing down and eventually fall away or turn from...

Romans 1 is to "those who hold the TRUTH in unrighteousness". Romans 1:18 Paul says that "they are without excuse". Romans 1:19 Paul says "when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither thankful, but became vain in their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened". Romans...

OK, I get baptized of the HS, and I trust in the Lord and have faith in Jesus, and I have a new person in the Lord, but I do nothing that the Lord tells me to do and I ignore the promptings of the HS, but I will still be saved. Makes very little sense. I can not believe it.

No offense taken, thank you. But which part does not pass your smell test? Is it the part that the Holy Spirit says to be engaged in good works? Tell which part does not pass?

If you are a new person in Jesus and have the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you will be doing his work, and the work of Jesus is to take care of the poor and needy, etc. IOW good works. What do you think it means that "by their fruits ye may know them. Fruits are the product of good works that...

Love = good works.

That is your error. Works are attached when the HS tells you to do good works. It is not to gain, keep, embellish, top off or finish salvation, but if you are not engaged in good works, you will not see EL. Our new person in Christ will be engaged in good works for the right reason. So if...

Trust what? Trust that Jesus will do everything, and take care of everything, so you do not have to actually obey anything?

In my last post, I thought I made it clear that I did not mean to imply that fulfill means destroy. I do not believe that fulfill means destroy or anything like it. So let us move on. Christ came to fulfill the OT, he did not come to destroy the OT. I get that and so let us move on. Use...