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Did you read my post #74,258 yet. Comment on that before you comment on the 144,000. I do not believe that only 144,000 will be saved in the KOG, where did you come up with that?

Can you tell me what the reward is we get in heaven for believing and doing good works on earth?

That is what I believe too. So why the resistance?

Sorry to have to disagree. Thanks for the discussion.

Then the scripture is wrong. Take your choice. Our only discussion is who is meant by "Every branch in me" To me: Every branch = Every mortal person. IN ME = Those mortal persons who believe in me and are born again and are IN ME and I IN THEM. The parable of the branches in the true vine...

You do not know me, and for you to say that I do not understand the first thing about being born again is just a little disingenuous. One Christian does not question another Christian about such things. I wouldn't even begin to question your born again status, or any Christians born again...

Have you read my post #74,258 for the perfect example of what we are talking about?

Thank you that is what I say.

Those who are not true converts will never find themselves on the true vine of Jesus. Just like Judas. The church, or body of Christ existed while Christ was still with us, he had quite a following. Many of those in the body of Christ were not in him, however, and were never branches on his...

So do you believe that we should do the works that God before ordanined that we should walk in them?

I believe that God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are 1 God, I am a Christian that believes this nature of God. I believe that the Messiah God is Jesus Christ, and it is through the grace of Jesus Christ that we can be saved. However, I do not believe your last...

gb9 Please respond to my posts #74254, and #74258. Thank you.

What post are you referring to?

I agree 100%. Thank you for this post.

You can truly, whirl around and study and contemplate all you want, but when Jesus says that "all branches in me that do not produce fruit, God will take away, he is talking to those that believe in him, have been saved, and been attached his vine and receiving nourishment. It does not matter...

I believe that spiritual death is not the death of our spirit which God gave us. It is though, a death of sorts, in that we are separated from God and do not have his immediate influence on our mortal bodies. We are not dead, body or spirit, but we are dead to the full knowledge of God and his...

Sorry, John 15:2 is too straight forward. Those in Jesus, (all saved people) who do not produce fruit will be taken away, and lose their EL, unless they do what is said in 1 John 1:9. But we have to make the choice to start producing or suffer the consequences.

You can squirm around and give your difinition of what 'ordained' means, but we all know what it means. If we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Then you better be willing to walk in them. Or there will be...

You are not right. That is all I can tell you , you are just not right. For instance, what do you say about the difference between these 2 versions: Romans 8:1 (KJV) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit...

See, you are engaged in the work of the Lord. Good story.