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  1. tanakh

    Why "The Bible" doesn't fulfil 1 Corinthians 13:10

    In most cases those books have been written by people who have relied on the Bible. The answer is to compare what they are saying to scripture. The Holy Spirit gives us discernment.
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    Riots in Minneapolis

    The US appears to be falling apart God help you all
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    Which Jerusalem do you have in mind? The one that existed at the time of Jesus who said it was a city of a great king. The one rebuilt after that one was ploughed over by Rome or the one that stands now that was partly rebuilt under Constantine. In my Bible it says that Jerusalem will...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    The Jerusalem Jesus knew was flattened and ploughed over by the Romans. A pagan city replaced it. Much of what we see now was built in the fourth century by order of Constantine and his Mother. Jerusalem today is a sort of Holy Disney land where you can visit places like the ''upper room''...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    Christians who unconditionally support the state of Israel do so because they believe they will be cursed by God if they dont. If you add the US Governments interest in keeping the very influential Jewish voters and fundamentalist Christians on side you have a very toxic mixture to deal with...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    I have been to Israel but not recently. I went there in 1993 with my wife. our trip was not a Holy Land Tour but we did see many of the places mentioned both in the Old and New Testaments as well as other historic sites including Accra, Sephoris and Massada
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    The rapture happens between the sixth and seventh trumpet which is the last mentioned in Revelation. The elect are not on earth when the bowels of wrath are unleashed but do undergo persecution by the Antichrist. John sees a vision of those under the alter who have been beheaded and a...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    I have already explained that the events of AD70 were a TYPE of a final judgement of the nation and that Preterests have mistakenly viewed the type to be the real thing. In the same way many see modern Israel to be start of the of the Millenial kingdom instead of preparation that final judgement.
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    I see them as both spiritual and literal. The problem lies in readers not being able discern between which parts are spiritual and which are literal. Almost all of Revelation can be understood by knowing the O/T because God put it there in plain sight and John had an incredible knowledge of...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    Both preterism and dispensationalism are wrong. Why because one system wont accept the literal level of scripture unless it suits their argument and the other wont accept anything but the literal level unless it suits theirs. There seems to be a blindness in both camps. This results in endless...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    Sigh! Replies to my posts from Pre Tribbers are filled with texts proving that the resurrection and transformation of the righteous known as the rapture by some is in the Bible. I dont know why because I never said it wasnt. What I do believe is that you have the timing of the event and the...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    Jesus said no one knows the Day or the Hour not that he was coming at any moment Only Pre Tribbers believe that. I already posted something about this citing how Peter was told by Jesus that he would grow old and die. Its unlikely that he believed that Christ would come at any moment. Also...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    Well that doesnt hold out much hope for anyone on this site and this forum in particular because its full of people debating. Jesus told us to spread the Gospel and in his parable of the sheep and the Goats he listed the things we should be doing while he was away . sitting with our hat in our...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    The problem in using the rapture term to me is that its become a kind of trigger for the rest of the pre Trib Dispensationalist rubbish that goes with it. People ask if you believe in the rapture and you have a choice of being branded as either 'a true believer' if you say you do or a heretic...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    Really? Lets look a few scripture passages........ And when he had spoken these things while they beheld he was taken up and a cloud received him out of their sight And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up behold two men stood by them in white apparel. Which also said Ye...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    Amen but its not conditioned on belief in a PRE TRIB rapture but on Christs return and the resurrection
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    People have been observing the situation for 2000 years. The only people who find a Pre trib rapture compelling are those who wont or cant consider any alternative. If it was so compelling how is it that most Christians dont believe it and the US seems to have the monopoly on those who do...
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    What! no flour? Try some 15 min homemade bread - in a mug

    Where has all the Flour gone? Long time passing!
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    From what I have read in the NT there was no idea that Christ was coming at any moment. Even Jesus didnt know when he was coming. He said that no one knows the day or the hour but its a big leap from there to an any moment arrival. Those who shout the loudest are not necessarily right and...
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    The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

    You are right but to interpret the events of AD70 as THE second coming is way off beam. At his trial Jesus prophesied his spiritual appearence in 70AD.............. And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus saying Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness...