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I see what you’re saying. I’ll think on your viewpoint more today. I read that and see ‘one cannot he born again since they, those being addressed, already are’; 6 starts with a conjunction and those in 5:11-14 are true believers, however, are mere infants on milk just like the Corinthians. How...

In regards to 6:6 what I am saying I lived through. I got saved young, was on fire (even putting printed flyers I made in mailboxes about the good news), but later went cold, I got disciplined 20+ years later, am stronger and more aligned with His will, extremely grateful for the discipline...

I did not say that with the viewpoint I had shared; It says the opposite - once truly converted you can be disciplined here on earth and/or you lose rewards at the Judgement Seat of Christ, but not with loss of salvation. Hebrews has various warnings to true believers; these warnings have teeth...

Yeah, we see it different. I see it directed to true believers, who truly converted at one time. Hebrews 5:12-14 is about spiritual immaturity, 6:1 starts with a conjunction of “therefore” so its speaking to those same believers who are immature based on how I’m reading it. IMO if someone, who...

Are you saying you disagree with John 7:39 and John 20:22? “But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.” ‭‭John‬ ‭7:39‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ “So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As...

That was a typo on my part; I should have clarified it as in the New Testament. Do you know of one?

So are you saying those addressed were/are true converts or not?

Based on the context and it being a continuation of how Hebrews 5 I see them as being saved when 6:6 is described. I’ve seen MacArthur argue it is directed to various audiences but that isn’t exegetically true. He is imposing a notion into the text. Plus Hebrews 6:7-8 shows its one piece of...

So you agree He wants all people to be saved? I previously thought God was outside of time looking in but I now believe God maybe both and then more; outside, in time, past, present, future. CS Lewis said it well "If you picture time as a straight line along which we have to travel, then you...

For those that think everything is scripted and we’re robots then I agree scripture goes against scripture. For those like myself who think He gave us a certain level of autonomy to choose as a sign of His sovereignty then I fully disagree. He wants all to be saved; we choose which gate to...

From my understanding the main two camps place much on their variations based on Hebrews 6:6. I’ve heard it argued a different way from the two, one which I fully agree with. To the Calvinist Hebrews 6:6 refers to the false convert; to the Arminian it’s to the apostate. Romans 6:6 comes down...

Yes - “This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Bare with me brother; I might not be communicating what I’m saying well. (y) I’m trying not to make assumptions. The ruler asked how to be saved through the Law. The Gospel [of grace] did not exist yet; Jesus let him walk because he could not reveal that or Himself, at that specific time. Do...

Does it say anywhere the rich ruler was not saved, accepting Christ after His death? I think you’re making an assumption... I’ve seen the pearl parable argued as directed to believers; you’re saying its linked with unbelievers. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but that is the thing with parables...

First thread - will do my best to explain my points best I can :)(y) Paul is a great example of how we should minister to others of the good news! My main takeaway recently has been we are called by God to not only proclaim it, but also actively persuade all people of the truth. I'm convinced I...

And when I say should/do/will humans be punished the same as Satan I mean in God’s eyes - I don’t know? does anyone? :unsure: Wish I could edit posts after 5 minutes :cry: Great discussion too everyone (y) lots to ponder on

That’s a great point. I’m not sure, but I could see angels being treated differently since they are different Beings and creations. I would 100% agree Satan should be tortured for all eternity. Should humans get the same level of punishment as Satan I guess is a question? Will definitely see if...

I hear what you're saying but why would God need to turn off the fire if they burn up? Why can't he leave it burning? I'm just trying to see the other side because I have seen the early church thought differently (compared to the reform in the 1500s). Found this interesting too: "John Wenham...

I can’t see how its not seen once they hear the gospel. Before is a different story. Matthew 22:1-14 has 3 distinct choices the King makes: 1) Choice of His Servants from His own country, given a task of sending the invites 2) Choice to send the invites first to His own country and then all...

Did you not read the next sentence on that page?... did you read the first sentence and stop? “While Hellenistic philosophical tradition generally viewed the human soul as inherently immortal, Scripture sees immortality as something that belongs to God alone (1 Tim 6:16). God graciously offers...