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oh.... calvinist is that this is about? That would explain a lot no offence to any calvinists but yeah that would make sense

ok so how does it tie to election in the sense that some were chosen for salvation and others for wrath? Yes what you say is true but how does it make election of the preordained to be saved while others for wrath? Also I was still curious what you thought about the verses I posted

If that is how the spirit leads you then go for it I will do things how I am lead as well.

I am free whenever you are :)

We all have our limits my friend but still I would encourage you to try your best

I am sorry this happened to you it happens to me as well

Also @Inquisitor what do you make of the verses I posted?

interesting but you might notice he only mentioned objects of mercy being preordained objects of wrath howerver it just says it is jews and gentiles combined it didn't say they were prepared beforehand and the context of the scriptures you posted speaks of jews and gentiles but also of faith...

I mean I may be insane but it doesn't seem to be any more clear to me

Wellyou see who is encouraging and being respectful and those who are putting others down while lifting themselves up that alone is some bad fruit but like you said there is some pretty bad fruit in that line of thinking. Not to mention how many verses speak of salvation to all vs the verses...

where do you stand on the subject?

you will know them by their fruits after all

Well I am interested to see the responses to it

If I may put my two cents the vessels prepared for destruction could mean just that prepared as in they prepared themselves for destruction it never said pre ordained or predestined just prepared

A disagree in opinion I suppose

I have often said pain is a great teacher and enduring pain does make you stronger especially with Christ who know maybe your testimony is mean for someone here as well

amazing story and great work as well another fellow artists to join us this is fantastic a very warm welcome to you my friend

That pain you endured will come as blessings for every tear you shed riches will abound for every scar inside and out angels will mend and wash this pain you knew will hwlp you to connect to and help those who have known the same kind of paiin Bless you my friend your a treasure

If trouble comes your way believe if walls come tumbling around you believe if all the world is against you believe if the armies of satan come against you stand abd believe

reht walker is one of my favorites he will put a fire in ya