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good point yes, Matthew 7:24-25 indeed describe Job. his faith was founded on The Rock, see Job 19:23-29 e.g. - such that he did not fall when the wind and the waves came. why did God want Satan to see this, in your opinion? ((re: Job 1:8))

he can speak for himself. i doubt he believes Job 1-2 don't exist.

you thought surely my understanding of Job comes from reading many commentaries; that tells me your understanding is that my position is the majority position. but what obscure reading for which you can't point to anyone in particular is yours?

never followed a study guide, period, much less on Job. don't watch YouTube preachers either. at all. my pastor touched in Job 1-2 necessarily a few years ago, because we have been studying Joel for 5 years and obviously the connection to the position of Satan with regard to the other angels...

nope. in university my world literature 4000 level course had this book in it though, and when we were assigned to give a 30 minute presentation on anything in our text for the final, i certainly took the opportunity present scripture, and started studying it. Elihu is amazing, and i still do...

In fact, @tttallison, looking at this passage which actually does concern Satan, sp making of his pride, God says that He cast him down in it - effectively that despite Satan's pride, the LORD is still king over him: Ezekiel 28:17 Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted...

in Job 41 the creature leviathan is being compared to God, in that he is unassailable, unafraid of everything, and no one can stand against him - directly in context because God is using the creature as an example telling Job that it is foolishness to think to stand and confront his Creator...

Let's see, Nebuchadnezzar, Trump, Ergodan, Cyrus, elephants, lions, whales, giant squid, armadillos, hawks, you, whoever that guy is on the house-selling TV show, numerous Pharoahs and Roman emperors, the pope, Putin, Taylor Swift, basically anyone after 8 beers, kids playing COD after they...

is this Satan? Psalms 74:12-14 For God [is] my King from of old, Working salvation in the midst of the earth. You divided the sea by Your strength; You broke the heads of the sea serpents in the waters. You broke the heads of Leviathan in pieces, [And] gave him [as] food to the people...

this is not an accusation Job is making deals with the devil. there is zero indication of that. it is a biting sarcasm describing the impossibility that Job can treat this powerful creature like a pet or harness him like an ox, or catch and eat him for dinner like a rabbit or a trout...

Job 40 is about the antichrist and 41 is about Satan?? :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL: ich stimme dir nicht zu.

is it that you genuinely are completely unfamiliar with the text, or do you just not believe what you read? :oops:

Job never stopped praising God. Job 28:23-28 God understands its way, And He knows its place. For He looks to the ends of the earth, [And] sees under the whole heavens, To establish a weight for the wind, And apportion the waters by measure. When He made a law for the rain, And a path for...

1 Peter 1:10-12 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace [that would come] to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the...

in Job 1:8-12 and 2:4-7 ;)

i have actually never read a single commentary on Job. but if you are saying that many who have gone before me reach the same conclusions, that is not a bad outcome. it's when you think you see something no one else has ever seen in the Bible, that you need to step back. Job 7:20 Have I...

the book is about a lot of things, primarily Christ. but it's a mistake to ignore the first two chapters that open the account and give an explanation of the way the events came to take place: what happened to Job is directly related to the dialogue between the LORD and Satan which took place...

do you see God stepping down to speak directly to Job, approving him in front of his accusers, then blessing him sevenfold, as evidence that He is mad at Job?

please compare the words of Eliphaz, speaking falsely to Job, wrongly accusing him without knowledge: Job 22:4-5 Is it because of your fear of Him that He corrects you, And enters into judgment with you? [Is] not your wickedness great, And your iniquity without end?

@tttallison do you believe the health/wealth/prosperity gospel? is that why you are resisting this? are you a Crefo-$$$-ite?