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Wow.

And one more time, I was not straying from my original point. God bless sister.

You should scroll back sister. All of my posts pertain to this: From Rufus. You're tone deaf, aren't you? A&E were the only human beings to truly have "free will" because they were created "very good"; and therefore, were free FROM all evil influences and a sin nature, thereby having no excuse...

I wasn't arguing with you. I was just sticking to my original point.

You probably didn't read the post I was responding to. So I can see the confusion. He said that Adam and Eve could freely trust God after they fell. So here is my point~~~~there is only ONE way to salvation, if Adam and Eve had the ability(After they fell) then we most assuredly do.

Your getting the word salad going. You said: You're tone deaf, aren't you? A&E were the only human beings to truly have "free will" because they were created "very good"; and therefore, were free FROM all evil influences and a sin nature, thereby having no excuse to not freely choose to trust...

There is only ONE way to salvation. Not one special way for Adam and Eve and one special way for us. Act 16:31

Adam and Eve were no longer "very good" after they fell. They were fallen creatures, just like us. And in need of salvation. There is only ONE way to be saved.Not one for Adam and Eve and another for us. Acts 16:31

Adam and Eve were fallen creatures in need of salvation. We are fallen creatures in need of salvation. How many ways can man be saved? We have to do exactly the same thing Adam and Eve had to do to be saved............Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and YOU shall be saved.

Which makes Absolutely no sense. They sinned. So they were influenced by evil and were sinners. So how did they Keep their "freewill" to be saved? They were in the EXACT same boat we are in for their salvation.

This is why in his post earlier, he said, "It may take years." He is spot on with his assessment above. If you sit in reformed theology and don't bite hook,line and sinker and parse out their word salads.......you will come to these conclusions about Calvinism.

@cv5 summed it up quite well. I went to a reformed church for many years. there are "word salad" differences in many but in the end...........they are ALL hyper Calvinist . Look up Johnny Piper, my old church worshiped his theology. That will give you a good idea of the Calvinist and their theology.

And by their(calvies) logic....... There can not be a false believer. Nobody can fake it. The natural man cannot fake something they are totally blind and deaf to. So blessed I dumped reformed theology!

I was just praying you would show up in this thread.

Gojira Guest Feb 18, 2024 #217 SilverFox7 said: Our government needs a complete overhaul (new blood and most of it needing to be conservative). I've studied organizational behavior and communication for decades, and I would classify the current state of our government as dysfunctional to be...

Biblically literate and bold......I like that. We will have a little bit of time to explain things to MOST BELIEVERS on our way up.

No question about it. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer.

I also want to say thanks. We line up on doctrine, and you add tid bits that make me go "what?" I never thought of that! And I agree Adam and Eve were probably in Eden for Years, hundreds of years, thousands of years? Before he got the woman to bite. Adam was NEVER deceived.

I agree. You explained it better than I.

One thing we cannot forget. God's word is alive and powerful. He reveals things in His timing. We can all read the OT and see the things He revealed in His own timing..........Why can't it be happening in our time?