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Works is doing anything yourself to gain salvation. If you cannot understand that it was said, you must be baptized as a work to gain salvation, in the same vein as following the commandments, then no, you won't understand.

Hmm, the like figure Other translation: "and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also" Again, reconcile it with by faith alone are you saved, apart from works, least any man can boast. When we get to Heaven, I guess we should let him know.... Lord, just so you're aware, I did get...

There is a reason Paul went to the Gentiles and Peter to the Jews. There is a reason Paul went to the council. There is a reason Paul agreed to a vow to show the Jewish believers he still upheld the law. There was a reason Peter told them to be baptized. But nowhere does it contradict that it is...

Post #39 Peter says baptism saved us. 1 Peter 3:21, so, you're not correct. Also, nowhere in the bible does it describe baptism nor its reason as you have. It is an outward expression of nothing, but rather a command that must be obeyed in order to secure our salvation. Does that not say that...

I have no problem conceeding that point although there are still many that believe that, but my main point remains the same. Water baptism is not a condition for salvation. It is by faith alone.

Yep, because that will make you right. What an ego. Now, I'm gone.

Yep, that's what they said about circumcision. No where did I say scripture contradicts itself. I submit that your interpretation is a contridiction. "In the case of baptism and salvation, the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith "in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind...

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They wrote that baptism was "a command that must be obeyed in order to secure our salvation" I listed nine reasons I disagreed. Not opinions, quotes. It's up to you how you want to gain salvation, but one of them does not work.

First off, anything other than quoted words are my opinion. Let me state that from day one. There are two schools of thought on that, that I know of. The first is that both refer to the same baptism. The second one, and the one I now lean toward is that Jesus was telling Nicodemus that a man...

One more thought. Miraculous manifestations were not the only purpose Jesus had the Holy Spirit come.

So, when we accept Christ as our savior, we are not filled with the Holy Spirit to help guide us. We were left as orphans. John 3:5: “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” Water is natural childbirth, so how are we born again of the Spirit?

Well, except that salvation does not depend on any work. It is a gift. Paul was sent to the Gentiles and he never held too much stock in water baptism. He considered it a division in the church. Gal 2:7-9 "But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the...

A myth? Why would you think that?

Sorry, I lost connection before I finished. I agree. In short, yes anyone can be baptized by water, but to be baptized by the Holy Spirit, one must have true faith and been truly saved..

If I may, Neither water baptism or any works will save anyone. Baptism is an outward showing of what has already supposed to have taken place in the heart. The apostles warned those that professed to be in Christ to hold fast to their faith. Many people were baptized and then fell away. 1 John...