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    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Oh please, don't make me laugh! Your the one that needs to "think?" Instead of hip hoping all over the Bible and telling us how Judas is Satan. With that line of reasoning the Apostle Peter is Satan, at least according to Jesus Himself at Matthew 16:23, "Get behind Me, Satan!" Of course we all...
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    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Of course it is, don't you think I know this? Your the one who quoted two verses implying they relate specifically to the tribulation. Now your trying to cover yourself of this big mistake. There goes your credibility as far as I'm concerned. IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    There will be no Rapture!!!

    I have to say, what in the world do these two verses have to do with Christians going through the tribulation and the coming of the of the Lord Jesus Christ at the end of the tribulation? These verses are about prophesying of the Lord Jesus Christ coming/incarnating to die for the sins of the...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    Fair enough, so what's with the questions? In Him, bluto
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    The answer can be found at Philippians 2:5-9. "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, vs6, who, ALTHOUGH He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped." That word although means , "in spite of the fact" that He was God He did not...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    Now to get back to you Goldwing. The moment you said the following: "We also know that, “Jesus came to His own, (in human form), and His own knew Him not.” It is quite conceivable this same issue involving, The Angel of the Lord/Michael (in angelic form) is why Lucifer and one third of the...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    I'm pretty sure that it is common knowledge that Christians understand that angels are created beings. Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones had this to say about created angels in his book "God the Father, God the Son" (published in 1996). I quote from Chapter 10 which discusses the doctrine of God's good...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    That does not mean that they were the "US" that helped God in creating man or anything else for that matter. When Job 38:7 says, "And all the sons of God shouted for joy" how does that translate into them helping with the creation of man? Did you consider the possibility they were "shouting" for...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    Actually it was done by the one God consisting of the three persons of the Trinity. Notice Genesis 1:26, "Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image." In Him, bluto
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    You said this: "There was no such thing as "Jesus" before His conception miraculously in Mary." That's not quite true. Jesus appeared in the Old Testament numerous times but we did not know that His name was Jesus until He was born. In Him' bluto
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    I completely understand the points you are making and I know (a couple) solid Trinitarian believers who do think Jesus Christ in His preincarnate state think He is Michael the arc angel. Some also believe He is "Melchizedek" as well. Of course I don't believe that either. First things first by...
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    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    So what? You keep saying the same tired excuse that Jesus Christ cannot be God because others are called Elohim, "One of the prophets of God was called a god and it was the same word Elohim." Are any of these so-called "a gods" the one and only begotten Son of God according to John 3:16? Did...
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    That makes no sense, and is impossible. Consider Hebrews 1:1-3. Also consider Malachi 3:1. Who do you think the messenger of the covenant is that will come to His temple? It's the angel of the Lord, the preincarnate Jesus Christ. IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    Jesus, before becoming a man

    Good question? Jesus Christ physically and temporarily appeared in the Old Testament before He incarnated as a man permanently. I wrote the following some time ago on this site which explains how. Ah, the angel of the Lord, one of my favorite subjects. The angel of the Lord first appears as...
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    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    Here's another false statement by you when you said, "God the Father could not live in a human being." Your Biblical ignorance is astounding. Here is what Jeus stated at John 14:23, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him and "WE" will come to him and make our...
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    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    It's what you use furniture polish on. :rolleyes: IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    Not on your life buster. Are you familiar with Jewish Idioms? I'll school you on it tomorrow. Good night. IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    What do your questions have to do with Jesus being God the Father as you stated? Kindly explain that to all of us here? IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    No! This is according to Jesus Christ Himself at Joh 5:37 and at John 6:46, read them. Regarding your second question, how can you see someone's nature? Can you see your nature or my nature? Can you see your soul or my soul? IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

    No, I am not setting up traps, that's not in my heart. I have been a Christian 61 years now and I'm too old to play games by trapping people. Back in the day I was taught that the Father did forsake His Son but many years ago I changed my position because it did not make sense and it was Psalm...