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I know what Rom 4:5 says, it says God justified the ungodly, so the person was in a state of ungodliness when Justified, thats what is believed.

I certainly cant tell, I have given much bible to clarify my points.

Already read, so again: According to Gal 3:13 how were they redeemed from the curse of the law ?

You must believe God responds to the dead sinners faith to give him righteousness instead of God giving the sinner righteousness based upon what Christ did for the sinner.

For he that is dead is freed/Justifed from sin.6 Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. The word freed here is the greek word dikaioō: to render righteous or such he ought to be 2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered 3)...

If you believe God you should believe His Word I witness to you.

Yes it was accounted before they believed, unless you believe God responds to man rather than Christs Blood, or Himself ! If you believe that, you have righteousness imputed because of works of man.

I Glory in the Cross of Christ ! Gal 6:14 14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Those in false religion Glory about their freewill, their faith, their repentance, their water baptism...

I know what Acts 17:30 says, but its not for the non elect, sorry !

Justified before believing and why ?2 The First reason for Justification before God before believing has been given, because of non imputation of sin. Now the Second Reason is because of Imputation of Christ's Righteousness. Rom 4:6-7 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the...

You still cant receive the Love of the Truth.

It seems you fail to understand the Justice of God, how that its satisfied with regards to all the sinners He punished Christ in behalf of because He was charged with all their sins, hence making it so that God will never charge them with sin, since that would be injustice.

It doesnt appear you believe or understand scripture.

God given Faith rests in the revelation and witness of what has been testified to by the resurrection of Christ, that those who sins He died for, He rose again because of their Justification. Rom 4:25 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. So again...

Before anyone Christ died for believes , or comes to Faith, they are Justified before God for Two reasons. First because of non imputation of sin, no charges by God has been imputed to them. 2 Cor 5:19 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their...

bro tan This is unscriptural and conditions salvation on man.

Once again, The Just God is not going to charge with sin, or impute sin, on any sinner Christ died for, its impossible ! He already charged their sins to Christ and that Justified them. Then He gives them Faith to believe it, its that simple.

It appears you have read scripture I have presented but either dont believe it or dont understand it.

Rom 4:25 and 1 Tim 3:16 Rom 4:25 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. 1 Tim 3:16 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles...

Gods not going to chare with sin, or impute sin, on any sinner Christ for, its impossible !