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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    I agree with what you're saying to some extent. I wouldn't go as far and say those who understand are converted. I feel that is reading more into it than is there. I suggest there are those who do understand and do believe but refuse to follow Jesus for whatever reason. Like we see here...
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    I agree with what you're saying but from what I read in the bible, that is not the moment one is saved. 1 Jn. 2:4-5
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    I am very knowledgeable about God's word. I've looked into this greatly. Who would not want to believe OSAS? I am honest with myself. If there is anyone I don't want to fool, first of all it's myself. However, I am not going to blindly believe something that sounds too good to be true and...
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    Ok. 10-15 Jesus explains why He speaks in parables. This is my current understanding of that passage paraphrased. Jesus is saying it wouldn't matter if He spoke plainly. Those who are seeking the truth will understand it and accept ( those who have more will be given.) Those who are not...
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    Still kinda vague. Ok, so in 2 Cor. 5 there is says "if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation". How does one get in Christ?
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    I agree. Absolutely stick with the bible. The only reason I brought up my friend is because I see this as the fruit of the OSAS doctrine. I've talked to numerous people who believe they can live in continual sin because at some point, they believed in Jesus. As far as the bible telling us we...
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    I agree it's possible to profess Christ and have an outward appearance and not be right with God. No doubt. God knows our hearts. I'm sure I don't fully understand OSAS. Maybe I need to understand how one is saved to begin with. What does someone need to do/think/profess/____ to be saved?
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    I'm not sure of his current situation. I haven't seen him in years but knowing him as I did and last I heard, he is still with that woman. Speaking of bible examples, I think about the one in 1 Cor. 5. If OSAS is truth, then they got it right and were boasting about this man being able to...
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    I'm sorry but it's right there in the name of the doctrine. tt Once Saved Always Saved How can you say my adulterer friend wasn't at some point in the past, saved. If you're speculating the state of his salvation based on how he lives his life, I can agree with that. However, that is not...
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    I agree we all sin, if we say we have no sin we are liars. However, Once Saved Always Saved teaches it doesn't matter whether you have works of righteousness or if you continue in sin. There is nothing you can do to gain or lose salvation. If you're saying that those who do works of...
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    We are not yet in the New Covenant prophecied by Jeremiah and Ezekiel - that is the Millennial reign

    I suggest if we understand them spiritually, they have been fulfilled. Also, the language makes it clear we are in the new covenant. Matt. 26:28 for this is My blood of the covenant, which is being poured out for many for forgiveness of sins. If the new covenant isn't in effect, we do not...
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    I suggest words are how information is communicated. If we change the words, the message, almost always, will be different. I suggest doing a search for "baptism with" the HS and you will see it only happened twice. It was directly from God and evident by speaking in tongues. Each was a...
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    Whether they believe it or not, that is the result of OSAS. Able to continue in sin and still be saved. I worked with a guy who was cheating on his wife. I asked him if he worried about his soul. He said he was still saved but he wouldn't get any rewards. He divorced his wife and married...
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    I've heard a lot of things about Paul but this is a new one for me.
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    Is Baptism in water a work or a command? Is it necessary for salvation?

    I never take what people say as being ugly if they're sharing with me what they believe and it happens to disagree with my understanding. It doesn't even bother me when I can tell they are being aggressive or condescending. I only draw the line at personal attacks. At that point, I just don't...
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    I was hoping to get your understanding. Also, you stopped a little short. Context. Paul is not making the point you want him to.
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    Let me ask you. Paul makes a point in Romans 3, then in ch. 4 he uses a Abraham as an example to prove his point. What is his point using Abraham, based on the context?
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    He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.

    I always see the spiritual over the physical. I think about all the years God working with Israel. He would often take away the physical to bring them around spiritually. I think about what Jesus says here. 25 But in truth, I tell you, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah...