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The difference between the Jewish order back then and of ours today is as regards the time of punishment and the executor of the punishment. When God was the direct ruler, He saw fit to have an immediate punishment inflicted.
just unbelievable the contortions Lawyers will go through.
when isn't God 'the direct ruler'?

The Law means what it says or it doesn't.
you have it changing or you don't.

"Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

does all mean all?


Gal 3:10-13 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
 
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Nowhere in all the Bible is the sabbath ever called the Jewish sabbath, it is always called the Sabbath of the Lord.
is the death penalty sanction still in force?
when did God change that part?
 
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If someone can't be lost then there is no point in Satan seeking whom he may devour.

1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:



Here is what I said ^^^^ So I ask you: If Satan cant tempt anyone away from God by getting them to choose to do so then whats the point in him tempting them?
In case you're not aware, you guys are dealing Amillennials who believe that we are already living in the promised kingdom and that Satan is already bound.
 
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not to get involved here, but worshiping God on Sunday and not feeling obligated to keep the Sabbath of Saturday is one thing.

But I find it folly to call any day other than Saturday the Sabbath. Sunday is not the Sabbath and was never the Sabbath.
How can someone call a day that they know isn't the Sabbath the Sabbath and not know they are following the commandments of men?
 
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just unbelievable the contortions Lawyers will go through.
when isn't God 'the direct ruler'?

The Law means what it says or it doesn't.
you have it changing or you don't.

"Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

does all mean all?


Gal 3:10-13 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Here in Gal 3:10 is talking about the common title applied by the Jews of the NT times to the writings of Moses sometimes called the book of the law compare with Deut 27:26 its a quotation from there but it says he that "confirmeth not". Paul said "as many as are of the works of the law" meaning that anyone turn their backs on God's plan of salvation through faith can never meet the minimum requirements of the law. Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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In case you're not aware, you guys are dealing Amillennials who believe that we are already living in the promised kingdom and that Satan is already bound.
one needs to only look at the world we live in to see that we aren't living in the promised Kingdom with Jesus as ruler. Satan's fingerprints are literally everywhere.
 

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So I ask you: If Satan cant tempt anyone away from God by getting them to choose to do so then whats the point in him tempting them?
We don't lose our salvation.

Satan hates and persecutes the children of God (the true Christians) as does the world because the world loves it's own and we're not in the world. Satan would want to stop us from witnessing to non Christians. He hates the truth and doesn't want anyone to be saved. It's the born again Christians that are witnesses of what God has done in their lives. He would not want us sharing truth with the world.
 

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is the death penalty sanction still in force?
when did God change that part?
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

It would be interesting to note that here is mentioned the "book" of the law. This is a clear reference to the law a written down by Moses and placed on the side of the Ark of the covenant.

It comes from a passage found in Deut:

Deu 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Now for something many people neglect,


Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

notice the words of Moses, Statutes and "Judgments". The book of deut is not just the law but also the judgments for both obedience and disobedience. you are asking not if the law still is, but if the judgments for breaking the law still is.


Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
Deu 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,

Here Moses points out the covenant which is the Ten commandments written on stone, notice that while they are mentioned here in the book of the law they are also separate and distinct. Next Moses repeats the 10 commandments which are the covenant and then after that He says:

Deu 5:31 But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.

God gives more to Moses to teach Israel which we know today as the book of the law which we have just been quoting from in fact.

So a couple of points:

1. The book of the law repeats the ten commandments as the covenant to Israel but they are not the book of the law. There is the Ten commandments on stone in the Ark of the covenant and there is the book of the law on the side of the ark. they are not one and the same.

2. The book of the law contains both the law and the judgments, while the law may remain the judgments are distinct and may or may not remain or change as God directs. So to keep the whole law does not mean the judgments also. Its talking about obedience not consequence.

The other pint here that I would like to open more is the fact that you are using a statement about the book of the law to put down or argue against the 10 commandments. This would work had the only place they appeared be in the book of the law. however this is not the case, they appear separably on stone written by God himself.

There are a number of reasons for this. the book of the law only works in the context of a Theocracy where God was the head of all law and punishments/blessings etc, and the people followed God and not kings or men. One can not say that today. In fact it is against our laws to do some of the things in the book of the law.

Deuteronomy simply carries the meaning by the Jews as, "The Second law" or "repetition of the law" It contains history of the Hebrews and their feasts and ceremonies as found in Gen, Ex, lev, and numbers.

Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

This book of the law was for Israel as a nation under God's rule. Thus not all of it could possible apply to other nations or us in this day.

blessings hope this clears something up.
 

Katy-follower

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one needs to only look at the world we live in to see that we aren't living in the promised Kingdom with Jesus as ruler. Satan's fingerprints are literally everywhere.
Absolutely. His characteristics are everywhere.

2 Cor 4:4-5: "But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them" - "God of this age" refers to Satan, who rules over the unbelievers, with the goal of stopping them from finding God. He's known as the prince/ruler of the world. But not to mistake him with our one true God, who we know is in charge, but allows Satan to operate within the boundaries He has set him.
 
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We don't lose our salvation.

Satan hates and persecutes the children of God (the true Christians) as does the world because the world loves it's own and we're not in the world. Satan would want to stop us from witnessing to non Christians. He hates the truth and doesn't want anyone to be saved. It's the born again Christians that are witnesses of what God has done in their lives. He would not want us sharing truth with the world.
I see a lot of words but no bible. Give me something from the bible. Presumption (countrified faith) is not truth only the Word of God is.

Rom_10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
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If someone can't be lost then there is no point in Satan seeking whom he may devour.

1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:



Here is what I said ^^^^ So I ask you: If Satan cant tempt anyone away from God by getting them to choose to do so then whats the point in him tempting them?
thats your imput...the passage doesnt say that at all
 
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thats your imput...the passage doesnt say that at all
Ok


Mat_24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Jesus said this not me. :)

Show me a verse that you cant losses our salvation.
 

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I see a lot of words but no bible. Give me something from the bible. Presumption (countrified faith) is not truth only the Word of God is
I speak as a born again Christian that has the truth. I do not presume anything, I always go by God's word. Just because I didn't post a scripture does not mean I'm making an assumption.

The reason I have not provided scriptures to prove we don't lose our salvation is because I've already discussed this very topic in 3 forums already with lots of scripture evidence and did not want to weigh down this thread taking it off topic.

If you want to see the scriptures I mentioned, you can check out my posts here... Link --> http://christianchat.com/search.php?searchid=497572
 
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I speak as a born again Christian that has the truth. I do not presume anything, I always go by God's word. Just because I didn't post a scripture does not mean I'm making an assumption.

The reason I have not provided scriptures to prove we don't lose our salvation is because I've already discussed this very topic in 3 forums already with lots of scripture evidence and did not want to weigh down this thread taking it off topic.

If you want to see the scriptures I mentioned, you can check out my posts here... Link --> http://christianchat.com/search.php?searchid=497572
Link dos not work
 

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Ok


Mat_24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Jesus said this not me. :)

Show me a verse that you cant losses our salvation.
why should i have to do that although i could.
we just dont throw up a script and a word meaning to
make a doctrine.then go into a forum and play games.
 
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LawofLove

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why should i have to do that although i could.
we just dont throw up a script and a word meaning to
make a doctrine.then go into a forum and play games.
In other words you don't want to. So why say anything? The word of God is not a game.


1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
 
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Abiding

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only cuz i already did and asked question and didnt
get any dialogue. so why bother? well i wont..say
anything more i spose. :)
 
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only cuz i already did and asked question and didnt
get any dialogue. so why bother? well i wont..say
anything more i spose. :)
Abiding you know that's not true. You where not happy I disagreed with you interpolation and used the same verse to show you that so now you desired to be change the subject instead of exchange dialogue. You asked if Satan could take us out of the hand of God and I told you it was by the will of man that we follow Satan when tempted.
 
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I do not want this thread to go off in other directions. This thread is about what SDA believe. If you have a question please ask questions about what SDA believe about the Bible. Any coming to just be a critic can go to another thread. Attached is a file of SDA beliefs. Please download it study it, write down what you agree with and why or ask a question about what you disagree with. We will stay with the BIBLE.
 

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