In all honesty, that is a shameful Question. You put the Lord Jesus Christ to shame for even asking the question.
If you were Son focused rather than sin focused........You have your answer over and over and over in His word.
Loss of salvation???
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In all honesty, that is a shameful Question. You put the Lord Jesus Christ to shame for even asking the question.
If you were Son focused rather than sin focused........You have your answer over and over and over in His word.
That mistake started with Peter's error, that he later corrected.
Many miss when Peter realized his mistake.
Here is some background as to why Peter began immediately commanding water baptism.
Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining
and baptizing more disciples than John— although in fact it was not
Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. John 4:1-2
Now that was a lot of water baptizing going on by Peter and the disciples!
It became a way of life for Peter.
So?
He simply continued ordering water baptizing thousands of people.
He continued with water until the moment he recalled the following words of Jesus spoken soon after his resurrection...
On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command:
“Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have
heard me speak about.
For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:4-5
In all the bombardment of excitement Peter was experiencing since seeing the risen Christ,
Peter simply was highly distracted and simply forgot what Jesus had said.
Then around the time of Acts 10 and 11, it finally hit home with Peter.
“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning.
Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized
with the Holy Spirit.’ Acts 11:15-16
Then - Acts 11! Peter remembered!
Not before!
In Acts 2 Peter was instantly overwhelmed in certain ways.
Peter finally remembered the Lord's words. But, only after having commanded thousands of water baptisms for many newly saved souls.
That is why we experience the confusion like we see today concerning water baptism.
Too many Christians are failing to see how Peter was setting out into a new and unexplored spiritual frontier.
A frontier that needed the chosen explorers to learn and make adjustments from time to time.
I pray that helps someone.
Grace and peace .........
Every time you sin?
Believe 1 John 1:9 !
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us
our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
grace and peace!
Thank you @Genez. I am a sophomore(Moron) in His word, and could not explain it as well as you have.
So has @Genez convinced you that a born again person has no need for WATER baptism?
What does your church teach you??
@Ouch asked you HOW we remove sins and you reply with the idea that we only need to believe in the One God has sent?
Some clarification would be nice since these odd doctrines will be sending some straight to hell due to incorrect teachings to new Christians that tickle the ear.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
The above sounds dangerously close to easy believism and cheap grace.
Not terms I made up but that have meaning.
Sounds very much like sola fide.
And it seems to me that some members on here are dancing around this subject instead of facing it head-on.
Please not that @Kroogz is giving you LIKES....
and you are not properly representing what JESUS taught by posting only sola fide type verses that make it APPEAR
that obedience to God may not be necessary or that we need ONLY faith to be saved with no accompanying good works.
This would not be what Jesus taught and since Jesus is our Savior, I would suggest that we do not improperly represent Him.
OK
Just saw this.
So Genez is your spiritual advisor?
Why?
Because you believe as he does or because he has convinced you?
How can you be sure that Genez is correct in what he states?
And you're asking @Musicmaster about what the early church taught.
The early church taught water baptism.
Who do YOU think knows more?
Some persons on this thread
or the Apostles and those the Apostles taught?
Some questions for you to ponder.
Morning,
Yes, I will never believe just faith alone gets you saved.
If I agree to disagree that is saying both of us may be right but can't prove it or one of us is to stuborant to admit they are wrong.
I don't what your blood on my hands, so I want it to be clear the way you think you can't back it up with HIS word.
JESUS said we have to be born of water and of spirit to enter.
You say we don't.
Don't be concerned with bible I read, do be concerned that in all of them you can't get away from we have to be born of water and of spirit!!!
Can you tell me why JESUS who had ALL POWER, told HIS disciples this?
Matthew 28,
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Why did JESUS tell HIS disciples to baptize and to observe ALL thingshe has commented THEM to do?
Did you notice JESUS also told them that HE would always be with them?
Are you a JESUS disciple?
So you do NOT DO good works (as Jesus commanded that you do)
because you worry that you might BOAST about them?
Is this what you do Kroogz?
You do a good deed and then you boast about it.
And you should learn the difference between a FRUIT of the Spirit
and the works of the Spirit.
Make sure you undersand what JESUS taught and not what anyone on this thread is teaching...
including me. Find out for yourself by carefully reading the words in red in your bible.
I guess you forgot, I told you I'm done debating with you.
You believe when we get the spirit it gets rid of our sins.
You can't prove it so how can anyone have any kind of debate with someone who says something and will not back it up what they say?
And when I show you how sins are remitted you will not accept HIS word and just DEFLECT!!
Best of luck with your thinking, your still talking so there is hope.
If you can tell me at how sins are remitted in Acts 2:38 and 22:16 we can move on and debate some more.
I guess you forgot, I told you I'm done debating with you.
You believe when we get the spirit it gets rid of our sins.
You can't prove it so how can anyone have any kind of debate with someone who says something and will not back it up what they say?
And when I show you how sins are remitted you will not accept HIS word and just DEFLECT!!
Best of luck with your thinking, your still talking so there is hope.
If you can tell me at how sins are remitted in Acts 2:38 and 22:16 we can move on and debate some more.
I guess you forgot, I told you I'm done debating with you.
You believe when we get the spirit it gets rid of our sins.
You can't prove it so how can anyone have any kind of debate with someone who says something and will not back it up what they say?
And when I show you how sins are remitted you will not accept HIS word and just DEFLECT!!
Best of luck with your thinking, your still talking so there is hope.
If you can tell me at how sins are remitted in Acts 2:38 and 22:16 we can move on and debate some more.
Morning,
Can you tell everyone HOW WE GET RID OF OUR SINS?
You can't or can see it but refuse to accept it.
That makes no sense to me!
Morning, Sin is my main focuse, sin we will NOT ENTER Heaven with them.
Sinced the one I talking to doesn't beleive we need to be bapitzed in JESUS name to remove our sins, WHY IS IT SHAMFULL?????
What is shamfull is me not questing them, and there blood would be on my hands.
If not for the Son putting HIS blood on the mercey seat and giving us instructions on how to get rid of them we would have nothing to talk about.
Do you have a problem with what we have to do to get rid of our sins?
What is sad is since people will not just obey and get in the water we don't even get a chance to talk about JESUS coming in to them via the Holy Ghost.
Need both to be reborn. John 3:5, Acts 2:38
AMEN, but that is after we have been reborn.
JESUS knows we can not go through life without sinning, so after we are reborn all we need to do is repent and confess those sins to HIM.
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1 Corinthians 15:31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
That is why Paul says I die daily, we all have to.
How do we get reborn?