Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on ((all)) them which heard the word.
Do you know who ALL OF THEM ARE? I don't.
Does it matter?
Loss of salvation???
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Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on ((all)) them which heard the word.
Do you know who ALL OF THEM ARE? I don't.
Does it matter?
You said they were filled with the Spirit. That was false. The Spirit fell on them. Do you know the difference between the two?
So... in the Ouch Version, of Ephesians 2:9?
What do we read?
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves,
it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Water baptism is definitely a work.
Of all that the father gives him,Jesus will lose no one.
You are sealed by the Holy Spirit. God tells you,Salvation is irrevocable.
As a Jew who knows many fellow Jews, a number of them historians, others Messianic Jews who know the Bible, reading both the Greek and Hebrew, they do indeed attest to the fact that the Messianic Jews of the first century did indeed believe in water baptism for salvation because that was the means for the remission of sins for them. They also believe in Paul's Gospel that is not at all built upon water baptism as was Peter's Gospel of the Kingdom in Acts 2.
So, my fellow Jews disagree with your statements about them and our ancestors portrayed in the epistles. Perhaps your pastor teaches what you stated, but he's dead wrong if he did. Love you too brother, but I disagree about our own history among Messianic Jews.
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Acts 11:15
15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning.
Are you saying the disciples were not baptized with the Spirit on Pentecost?
You do realize that all the other versions weren’t translated from the KJV right? This is another reason it’s important as I said to look at the translation yourself whether it’s from Greek or Hebrew. Also 1600’s English words don’t all have the same meaning as they do today. You have to translate the old English to modern English. That why it’s important to verify with other versions or from a concordance. I use multiple versions KJV being one of them but I use it less than most of the others.
Let’s take one more look at that verse since you say I’m wrong. I’ll even do KJV for ya.
Mark 16:16
“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved”
So if one believes and is baptized he will be saved.
“but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
If he doesn’t believe he won’t be saved.
Ok now we know what it says. What does it not say? It doesn’t say “he who is not baptized won’t be saved”. The condemnation comes from not believing. Condemnation does not come from the lack of baptism. There is not one verse in the Bible that states that baptism is required to be saved nor that one not baptized is condemned. Am I saying we shouldn’t be baptized? No. Baptism is an outward sign of faith. A visible public expression of the invisible faith.
So what are you saying? Peter said the Spirit fell on Cornelius' household just as it fell on them on the day of Pentecost. Either you are saying Peter and crew were not baptized in the Spirit or you are saying something other.
If you can't give details, don't expect people to understand what you mean.
I would still like to know what letter of TULIP you disagree with as all my conversations with you, point to you embracing every letter. I am genuinely curious where I have supposedly misunderstood you.
Then they were born again. You are either one or the other. There is no in between.
And again try some details so people know what you are saying.
I don’t like any of the letters. I just don’t like acronyms period. Haven’t been able to stand them since the navy. I know @GWH may not like it but I say we ban all acronyms.
Another poster equated the falling of the Spirit with the filling of the Spirit. The passage in question says the Spirit fell. It said nothing about filling the individuals present.
All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever
comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from
heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none
of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day." John 6:37-39
If someone lost his salvation?
It would mean that Jesus failed to do the will of the Father!
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will
but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will
of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he
has given me, but raise them up at the last day."
Anyone who says he can lose his salvation?
Is saying that Jesus can fail to please the Father!
That is blasphemy!
Grace and peace ...............
Again, it was a question posed to another poster who seemed to be suggesting that OT saints were saved in a different manner than NT saints. I was looking for clarification.
I don’t like any of the letters. I just don’t like acronyms period. Haven’t been able to stand them since the navy. I know @GWH may not like it but I say we ban all acronyms.
Does this mean you never wear "scuba" gear when diving?
I know what the other poster said but Peter said it fell on them as it fell on us. Acts 11:15
How do you explain that? If it filled the disciples then it must have also filled the household of Cornelius or ... what else are you trying to say happened? Peter said it was the same falling you are saying it was different. Prove it.
I know what the other poster said. I am responding to what you said. You said OT saints "did not need to be born again". How could OT saints write scripture if they were not born again? How could they understand God if they were still spiritually dead in their sins? You have always said dead people can't know God. Do you think only the named saints of scripture were born again, all other believers remained spiritually dead? Explain how it was suppose to work please.
I try not to put myself in situations where I need to stay underwater longer than I can hold my breath. Honestly though I have to google some of the acronyms I see on here sometimes. Take longer for me to figure out what they mean than it would to just type out the words.Does this mean you never wear "scuba" gear when diving?