The Bible doesn't say those at Cornelius' house were filled with the Spirit. It says the Spirit fell on them.
Loss of salvation???
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We can't just take one scrpture and make a doctrin out of it, we need to look aroud also.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Note: John 3:16 DOES not say you ARE saved but should be, if you belived JESUS in John 3:16 why not what HE says in John 3:5?
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
After they belived, they were baptized.
I would agree about no way everyone being reborn, but Paul was NOT preaching to the congreation he was adressing the church leaders.
Do you think eveyone in the church reads the pastors mail?
First you can't show me one scripture that says they are without baptism!!
Back to John 3:5 JESUS says,
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
CAN NOT enter with out being born of water and of spirit.
JESUS says in,
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
It's clear if you belive you will be baptized and shall be saved, if you don't belived you will not be baptized and you will be damned.
When were the first ones to receive the message in Acts 2 to be reborn?
Acts 2:37-41
King James Version
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
When their heart was pricked or after they obeyed?
If it was whenn their heart was pricked there is no need for Peter to tell them what they MUST DO.
Cameron
Just saw this.....when I replied just now to you.
in the OT the Holy Spirit was present but did not indwell persons, generally speaking.
In the NT or New Covenant, the Holy Spirit actually indwells persons that believe in Jesus.
Acts takes place in NT times...
so however it states it...we have to accept that it happened as theology teaches.
Which Messiah?
There were a few.
Or, let's go this route - it's quicker.
What was necessary to be saved in the OT times, when no one knew about Jesus or heard the gospel?
Yes sir.
They just didn't know it.
jesus is the Savior of THE WHOLE WORLD.
(not in a universalist sense).
Faith always comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Noah found grace in the sight of the Lord. Abraham heard God's voice and believed.
We find grace and faith in the OT. Messiah was promised in Genesis 3. Men called upon the name of the Lord in Genesis 4. Just because revelation has increased over time doesn't mean it wasn't known from the earliest of times.
Salvation has always been by grace through faith. Faith has always come by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
I would never pretend to say what GOD did, will do or does.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
I don't understand how you can say, "So if a person becomes saved, and does even actually know about Jesus...they won't be held responsible for not being baptized until they understand that Jesus commanded this."
I would ask, how can a person be saved with all of their sins?
You say, "God will only judge us by what we know" I have no Idea and would not debate.
But I will add, if anyone is approaced and plugs their ears, or GOD is dealing with them to go to church or read HIS word and they don't the out come will not be good.
Those God came to certainly knew.
Jesus said Abraham rejoiced to see His day, and saw it...John 8, I believe.
So, you are going to tell us this is a command that we follow today for our eternal life?
I just share His word.
Does everyone belong to the Lord Jesus Christ? Yep.
The reformed/calvie/tulip folks think not. Some were created for destruction and some(ALL THE CALVIES) were created for their super special place.
I agree with everything you've said except one point:
You stated that faith has always come BY HEARING THE WORD OF GOD.
Has God ever revealed Himself any other way?
I like
Romans 1:20-21
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
21 For even though they knew God, they did not [a]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
God has revealed Himself through nature.
Equal Privilege and equal opportunity..................That IS FRUIT.
Your, special Privilege and special opportunity is from SATAN............Not fruit.
I suggest you do interlinear study on that verse. Or just look at other versions where it uses the word shall. Jesus is not simply suggesting that we not perish.
What? It looks like you just took the verse and rearranged it to make it mean what you wanted it to mean.
You are responding to the master of word salad. @Cameron143 needs Bible doctrine, and those who respond to him need a bushel of bible doctrine.......he is a master of questioning THE truth.