The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

markss said:

Yes, we are under a higher law, Trust, and Love.

1 John 3:22-24 KJV
22) And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23) And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Much love!

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May I ask, in your opinion did Eve show belief in God when she ate from the tree of good and evil when she listened to another voice in the garden over listening to God’s?

Did Jesus in His own words say all we need to do is just believe in Him does believe have a much deeper meaning?

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Did you know in the Bible unbelief is used interchangeably with sin, rebellion and disobedience Heb3:7-19

Jesus said not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter into heaven but only those who do His will Mat7:21-23

I know it’s a popular teaching that all we have to do is believe in God but we can live unholy lives, or what we deem as holy and unholy, not what God deems. We need to remember- Jesus taught there would be many people teaching in His name that are not from Him in the last days. Jesus said If you love Me, keep My commandments? Is this not His own expressed will both written and spoken by Him personally? Exo31:18

SabbathBlessing said:

I have quoted the references many times and happy to provide it in great detail. I asked you because you brought it up, but you being so reluctant to provide evidence for what you post, I can see why it’s just easier to turn it around. If someone asked me to provide evidence for what I post I would not hesitate. If we knew the answers we would be happy to provide it.

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I am only reluctant to bother providing what you asked, so please do so.
Then I will seek how to harmonize it with what I posted.

Undergrace1 said:

Yes, it was a compromise of sorts to bring unity in the council

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I think this is the same sort of thing as Paul wrote about in Romans 14, that we yield to those with weaker faith. Love means we are concerned that we don't alienate someone, or lead them into what they believe is wrong, because we are living in liberty.

Much love!

rogerg said:

And IMHO, I would respectfully suggest that the "laws" spoken of are the laws of the New Covenant, not the laws of Old Covenant;
that is, any law which is part of and the basis of, the New Covenant, must be law that achieves its desired end, which end,
is that for those whom God places under it, their sins will be remembered no more. It cannot represent any law or commandment that contradicts, is contrary to, impedes, restricts, or makes dependent upon man's actions, that end not being realized, such as with OC law.

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I would say, anything you could do, that would give you heartfelt consciousness of sin if you did it, is law written in your mind and placed on your heart

markss said:

I think this is the same sort of thing as Paul wrote about in Romans 14, that we yield to those with weaker faith. Love means we are concerned that we don't alienate someone, or lead them into what they believe is wrong, because we are living in liberty.

Much love!

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Exactly, as with the example of the levitical unclean foods. In the first verse, Paul mentioned ''disputable matters'' he then gives two examples in the chapter, so it is up to the individual concerning them.

SabbathBlessing said:

May I ask, in your opinion did Eve show belief in God when she ate from the tree of good and evil when she listened to another voice in the garden over listening to God’s?

Did Jesus in His own words say all we need to do is just believe in Him does believe have a much deeper meaning?

Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

Did you know in the Bible unbelief is used interchangeably with sin, rebellion and disobedience Heb3:7-19

Jesus said not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter into heaven but only those who do His will Mat7:21-23

I know it’s a popular teaching that all we have to do is believe in God but we can live unholy lives, or what we deem as holy and unholy, not what God deems. We need to remember- Jesus taught there would be many people teaching in His name that are not from Him in the last days. Jesus said If you love Me, keep My commandments? Is this not His own expressed will both written and spoken by Him personally? Exo31:18

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The Gospel is a command, given in the imperative, one example:

John 14:1 KJV
1) Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

Unbelief is certainly sin.

May I ask, in your opinion did Eve show belief in God when she ate from the tree of good and evil when she listened to another voice in the garden over listening to God’s?

I think Eve's believing in God was a separate matter, as she was deceived, and deception subverted her belief.

My understanding is that when we believe in Jesus, receiving Him as Who He is, God regenerates us, rebirth. Now, can we say we are reborn if we are not different? If we continue in our lives with no consideration towards God's intent for us, how can we say we are regenerated?

I don't believe that "salvation by grace through faith, and not of works" actually brings in salvation by works though the back door, in that believing in Jesus requires that we do something. Believing is just that. Yes, if we have a real living faith, we will be different, and will increase in good works, and in self control over sin.

But those works don't save us, they show we are saved.

I liken this to, If you believe your house is on fire, will you not run out of it?

So then a real faith brings real new life, and real new life brings real change.

Much love!

markss said:

The Gospel is a command, given in the imperative, one example:

John 14:1 KJV
1) Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

Unbelief is certainly sin.

May I ask, in your opinion did Eve show belief in God when she ate from the tree of good and evil when she listened to another voice in the garden over listening to God’s?

I think Eve's believing in God was a separate matter, as she was deceived, and deception subverted her belief.

My understanding is that when we believe in Jesus, receiving Him as Who He is, God regenerates us, rebirth. Now, can we say we are reborn if we are not different? If we continue in our lives with no consideration towards God's intent for us, how can we say we are regenerated?

I don't believe that "salvation by grace through faith, and not of works" actually brings in salvation by works though the back door, in that believing in Jesus requires that we do something. Believing is just that. Yes, if we have a real living faith, we will be different, and will increase in good works, and in self control over sin.

But those works don't save us, they show we are saved.

I liken this to, If you believe your house is on fire, will you not run out of it?

So then a real faith brings real new life, and real new life brings real change.

Much love!

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Eve was deceived but she would not have been had she listened to God and stayed faithful to Him. The punishment was the same separated from God Isa 59:2 and from the Tree of Life.

I agree with this so I do not understand the reluctance of obeying the law of God. Would the regenerated birth through His Spirit lead us to obey God or disobey God? The Bible actually gives us this answer

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

The Spirit of Truth is who wrote the Ten Commandments- would the Spirit of Truth ever lead anyone away from God's expressed will and Testimony Exo31:18 or is that the other spirit who deceived Eve in the Garden we were warned about

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there[a] is no light in them.

I think too many people rely on Paul as the corrector of God instead of harmonizing his teachings to Jesus. No one is saved by keeping the law, we are saved by grace through faith, but does faith void out what God asks us to do if we love Him? Not even according to Paul Rom3:31

Keeping the law of God is a fruit of salvation of the Spirit working within us. Disobedience is the fruit of rebellion, unbelief and sin. Heb3:7-19 We are known by our fruits.

This is what we are to strive for, what being saved looks like

Rev 14:12 Here is the [a]patience of the saints; here[b] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Which reconciles us back to God

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Unrepented sin and rebellion still separates us from God Isa59:2 Heb10:26-30 Rev22:15 Mat7:23

Undergrace1 said:

I would say, anything you could do, that would give you heartfelt consciousness of sin if you did it, is law written in your mind and placed on your heart

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Depending upon the sin you have in mind, I would say that for those saved, it comes from scriptural edification and imperatives, not from law. Having been given a new heart and renewed mind and no longer being under and blinded by sin, we became free, receptive to and desiring that, but not because of law, because of true freedom. The law that is placed upon the heart is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (and laws relating to that) - the law that brought salvation to us and which manifests itself into a trust in Christ as Savior. It is the law that brought life, other law brings judgment and death.

SabbathBlessing said:

It’s saying NOT written with ink- what was written with ink? The laws written in scrolls by man.

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Who wrote the scrolls in ink containing the bulk of the law (98%)?

The two greatest commandments in the law were in these scrolls.

Matthew 22:36-39
Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?
And He said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with
all your mind. This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

Romans 13:8-10
8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if
there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

The keyword is love.

Inquisitor said:

Who wrote the scrolls in ink containing the bulk of the law (98%)?

The two greatest commandments in the law were in these scrolls.

Matthew 22:36-39
Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?
And He said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with
all your mind. This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

Romans 13:8-10
8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if
there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

The keyword is love.

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it’s what the Ten Commandments are all about.Eco 20:6 How to love God shown in the first 4 commandments Deut 6;5 and the last 6 love to our fellow man Romans 13:9. God’s perfect law written by our perfect Savior Psa19;7. The scrolls would have never been needed if the law of love was kept.

SabbathBlessing said:

Eve was deceived but she would not have been had she listened to God and stayed faithful to Him. The punishment was the same separated from God Isa 59:2 and from the Tree of Life.

I agree with this so I do not understand the reluctance of obeying the law of God. Would the regenerated birth through His Spirit lead us to obey God or disobey God? The Bible actually gives us this answer

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

The Spirit of Truth is who wrote the Ten Commandments- would the Spirit of Truth ever lead anyone away from God's expressed will and Testimony Exo31:18 or is that the other spirit who deceived Eve in the Garden we were warned about

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there[a] is no light in them.

I think too many people rely on Paul as the corrector of God instead of harmonizing his teachings to Jesus. No one is saved by keeping the law, we are saved by grace through faith, but does faith void out what God asks us to do if we love Him? Not even according to Paul Rom3:31

Keeping the law of God is a fruit of salvation of the Spirit working within us. Disobedience is the fruit of rebellion, unbelief and sin. Heb3:7-19 We are known by our fruits.

This is what we are to strive for, what being saved looks like

Rev 14:12 Here is the [a]patience of the saints; here[b] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Which reconciles us back to God

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Unrepented sin and rebellion still separates us from God Isa59:2 Heb10:26-30 Rev22:15 Mat7:23

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I would reply that the Gentiles were not included in the covenant God made with Israel, of which the OT Law was part.

Our covenant with God is not the Old Covenant of Law, but the New Covenant of blood.

Personally, I think that the person who is trying to obey the commandments is laboring under a much lower standard that what Jesus commanded, a new commandment, not, "love others like you want to be loved", but, "love others as I have loved you".

John wrote in his letter Jesus' commandments, trust Him, and love others. If you do this, you will do all that is in the Law (that you actually could do) and much more.

Large parts of the OT Law, we cannot now keep. For instance, the tithe, you cannot tithe according to the Law. Where are the Levites who receive tithes?

James wrote the Law is a single thing, and if you keep all, but break one, you are a lawbreaker. In that we are not even able to keep the Law of the tithe, then the Law is not able to be kept in this time.

Much love!

markss said:

I would reply that the Gentiles were not included in the covenant God made with Israel, of which the OT Law was part.

Our covenant with God is not the Old Covenant of Law, but the New Covenant of blood.

Personally, I think that the person who is trying to obey the commandments is laboring under a much lower standard that what Jesus commanded, a new commandment, not, "love others like you want to be loved", but, "love others as I have loved you".

John wrote in his letter Jesus' commandments, trust Him, and love others. If you do this, you will do all that is in the Law (that you actually could do) and much more.

Large parts of the OT Law, we cannot now keep. For instance, the tithe, you cannot tithe according to the Law. Where are the Levites who receive tithes?

James wrote the Law is a single thing, and if you keep all, but break one, you are a lawbreaker. In that we are not even able to keep the Law of the tithe, then the Law is not able to be kept in this time.

Much love!

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Can you quote from Scripture where God made a covenant with Gentiles. If the New Covenant of God’s laws written in the heart was only to Israel where was that covenant ratified. Scripture please.

What you seem to be promoting that James is quoting both the law of Moses and the law of God and than making the argument it can’t be kept so why try. I do not see either of these arguments in his writings.

Thanks.

SabbathBlessing said:

What you seem to be promoting that James is quoting both the law of Moses and the law of God and than making the argument it can’t be kept so why try.

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No, the "so why try", that's not a part of it.

Just to say, The Law is a single thing which you either keep or you don't. You don't get to have the option to select parts to keep, and other parts to leave undone. So when the Law requires you to come to the temple for a fellowship offering, in fact, there is no temple, therefore, this Law cannot be kept. When the Law requires you to tithe to the Levite priests, again, there are none, therefore, the Law is not possible to be kept.

What I'm saying is that as a gentile, I was never a part of the Mosaic Law, or the Old Covenant. It's like saying I'm subject to Canadian Laws even though I live in the USA.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 KJV
31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Much love!

vassal said:

She clearly knew not to do so.

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Scripture does say she was deceived.

vassal said:

Simple belief is NOT enough, actions are required, that is clear. when you truly believe in Jesus and he tells us what to do, then it is what we must do, just like He himself did, do the will of our father.

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Actions will only come if you are regenerated, and then, the actions do not contribute to your regeneration, rather, they demonstrate that it is real.

I feel like I'm starting to repeat, I think I leave it here.

Much love!

markss said:

No, the "so why try", that's not a part of it.

Just to say, The Law is a single thing which you either keep or you don't. You don't get to have the option to select parts to keep, and other parts to leave undone. So when the Law requires you to come to the temple for a fellowship offering, in fact, there is no temple, therefore, this Law cannot be kept. When the Law requires you to tithe to the Levite priests, again, there are none, therefore, the Law is not possible to be kept.

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I think you may be conflating the temple laws in the law of Moses with the law of God. Can you tell which which one of the Ten Commandments can't be kept today because there is no earthy temple?

But there is a temple according to God.

Our bodies are a temple of the dwelling of the Holy Spirit so we are to keep them clean and holy.

1 Cor 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body [a]and in your spirit, which are God’s.

While there is no Levitical priesthood anymore, Jesus is now our High Priest and He has a Temple in heaven that He ministers from Heb8:1-5 Rev15:5 Rev11:19 the earthy temple always pointed to God's heavenly temple to teach us His plan of salvation which we see though His sanctuary. This is a huge study but its a very important one that sadly a lot of people miss which shows us His atonement for sin. Most people think He finished the work at the Cross, but He didn't He is in heaven as our High Priest right now, where He has a Temple and alter in heaven and each piece of furniture in the earthy temple teaches us His blueprint of salvation. He is working in heaven today on our behalf. Every prayer we make, every witness we make letting our light shine for Him, every time we turn from sin, this is all Jesus working in us today.

markss said:

What I'm saying is that as a gentile, I was never a part of the Mosaic Law, or the Old Covenant. It's like saying I'm subject to Canadian Laws even though I live in the USA.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 KJV
31) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Much love!

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I think there is some misunderstanding of the difference between God's covenant, the Ten Commandments written on stone and the law of Moses. You quote Jeremiah 31:33-35 and this is written to Israel still, so these are laws that would have been known to Jeremiah in his day. In fact the book of Jeremiah goes though each one of the Ten Commandments. I can quote them for you if you would like.

SabbathBlessing said:

I think you may be conflating the temple laws in the law of Moses with the law of God. Can you tell which which one of the Ten Commandments can't be kept today because there is no earthy temple?

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James 2:8-10 KJV
8) If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9) But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

James quotes from Leviticus, this is clearly the Mosaic law.

He includes this in "the whole Law", and declares you cannot separate them. If you break one, you've broken all. The Law doesn't count offenses as it were, it's binary, you either keep it, or you don't. This includes the 10 Commandments.

In this example from James there is a great example of the difference between the Law of the Covenant with Israel, and the Law we are under.

The Law commands that we love others as we do ourselves. That's high standard, but infinitely higher is the commandment we are give, Love others, not as WE love ourselves, but as JESUS loves us.

What reason or benefit is there to trade the higher for the lower? Yes, we can love others as we love ourselves, and in so doing, James says that we do well.

Do we not do much better if we love others as Jesus loves us?

Much love!

SabbathBlessing said:

God wrote the Ten Commandments Exo31:18 Exo32:16 and Christ is God- He promised to magnify His laws, which means make greater Isa 42:21 and He did just that with the Ten Commandments Mat5:19-30. It a matter of not understanding the law of Moses and the law of God. Two very different laws that serve different purposes. Our bibles tell us this plainly in Scriptures, but not everyone really wants to understand. Without understanding it, makes Paul impossible to understand. The law that is holy, just and good Rom7:12 perfect for converting the soul Psa19:7 is not the law that is contrary and against Col2:14 Deut31:24-26 Sadly many get these mixed up and it leads to what Jesus said, in a ditch Mat15:3-14

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I sure hope you will learn of and start using the invention of the PARAGRAPH

So, the law of Moses under the OLD Covenant was not the end destination that the Lord desired for man. The NEW Covenant is the desired end destination God desires for man which is for His people to be born again abiding In the Body Christ with the Holy Spirit abiding in them. The New Covenant is based on better promises than the old covenant was. (Hebrews 8:6)

The sabbath was ordained as part of the Mosaic Law in Exodus 20:8-11. Moses served as a high priest (Exodus 28:1) and as a prophet of the Lord, and He was faithful in his calling over his house (the old covenant). There is NO evidence in scripture of Adam and Eave, or Job, or other people in God's Word keeping the sabbath prior to the Mosaic Law which was given to the Jews.

Hebrews 3:5,6
And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a Son over His own house; whose house are we, IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. (God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

God’s people are no longer living under the Law of Moses. Now God’s people are living under the Law of Christ (also called the law of liberty, law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus – see Galatians 6:2, 1 Corinthians 9:21, James 2:12, James 1:25, Romans 8:2)

And sadly some reject the Lordship of High Priestly ministry of Jesus Christ and continue trying to live under Moses as their high priest and of course that ends badly as they are rejecting Jesus as their Lord and Savior and apparently don't even know it.

SabbathBlessing said:

Jesus came from the tribe of Judah for which no man has officiated at the alter. Why because the law said the priesthood had to come from the tribe of Levi but Jesus came from the tribe of Judah why the law of the priesthood had to change so Jesus could be our High Priest in the New Covenant.

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The point being Jesus is the High Priest now and not Moses.

Meaning the old covenant has been abolished and the New Covenant has been established just like God said He would do back in the OT

vassal said:

The heart of the error is simple: you are turning a change of priesthood into the cancellation of God’s moral commands. Jesus never did that. God never said that.

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Sadly you have not studied the New Covenant enough

If you had you would have noticed the 10 Commandments are repeated in the New Covenant which is under the Law of Christ since the law of Moses has been taken away. The sabbath is abiding in Christ 24/7/365.

God's moral law is not only in tact under the Law of Christ but is actually as higher standard now that God's people can be born again and have the Holy Spirit inside.

This is why under the New Covenant Jesus teaches that lusting after a woman is sinful behavior where under the OT it was only sinful if one actually had sexual relations physically.

SabbathBlessing said:

Salvation has never been about law keeping, its about faith.

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And if one is born again walking in faith they will be led by the Holy Spirit according to God's Word and they won't be breaking His laws.

There are many among us today who walk after the flesh and are breaking God's laws not having the Spirit claiming they are still saved going to Heaven but these people are mistaken and are walking in the error of the ear ticklers (false teachers)

vassal said:

Then you deny jesus who said clearly to Keep the Commandments

If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15)
If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Mat 19:17)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my word, he shall never see death.(John 8:51)

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Jesus is speaking of the Law of Christ under the New Covenant.

He is not saying keep the law of Moses under the old covenant

Those trying to walk in the law of Moses have fallen from grace like the Galatians

They were born again, turned away from Jesus and became lost as ion no longer saved.

The OSAS people will be along soon claiming it's OK to turn away from Jesus as they claim one can still be saved and go to Heaven if they turn away from Jesus. These are the tares Jesus warned us about.

vassal said:

Jesus gave His life to redeem us. Let us live in a way that honors His sacrifice!

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And of course the OSAS people will claim this is works based salvation, try to earn one's salvation

Qt said:

I imagine you think you said something…just trolling along huh?

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Yeah those who don't readily agree with anything you say are "trolls" right?

markss said:

James 2:8-10 KJV
8) If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9) But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

James quotes from Leviticus, this is clearly the Mosaic law.

He includes this in "the whole Law", and declares you cannot separate them. If you break one, you've broken all. The Law doesn't count offenses as it were, it's binary, you either keep it, or you don't. This includes the 10 Commandments.

In this example from James there is a great example of the difference between the Law of the Covenant with Israel, and the Law we are under.

The Law commands that we love others as we do ourselves. That's high standard, but infinitely higher is the commandment we are give, Love others, not as WE love ourselves, but as JESUS loves us.

What reason or benefit is there to trade the higher for the lower? Yes, we can love others as we love ourselves, and in so doing, James says that we do well.

Do we not do much better if we love others as Jesus loves us?

Much love!

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If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

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What is the Second Greatest commandment to love thy neighbor?

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [a]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Which commandments is Paul quoting from to summarize the Second Greatest commandment to love thy neighbor. Only the Ten Commandments which you can find in Exo 20:1-17

9) But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

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James is contrasting not to show partiality with people just like we should not with the law of God.

10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

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For some reason you left out the context of the "whole law" when James did not seen in the very next verse I'll post it...

What commandments is James only quoting and contrasting from breaking one we break them all

11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

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The Ten Commandments.

Why do you think God is not capable of writing the whole law of God that He needed the help of man. Its not what the Scripture states......lets look

2 Chron 33:8 8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I (God) have commanded them, according to the whole law and (in addition to the whole law of God) the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

After God wrote and God spoke the Ten Commandments He added no more, He wrote them on two tablets of stone it is the whole law of God. Moses wrote a different law that was added because of sin that was besides the ark of God that held the Ten Commandments there as a witness against that held all of the curses and blessed for breaking the Ten Commandments.

The Ten Commandments is the work of God and the writing was of God. Go made Creation without man, He wrote His whole law of God without man too and called it His Testimony Exo31:18 its the only law under His mercy seat or atonement seat that is also in heaven Rev15:5 Rev11:19

Its why its so important tov read and study the Scriptures ourselves and make sure what our pastors or other teachers are saying is what the word of God says. Our loyalty should be to God and He alone.

HigherGospel said:

I sure hope you will learn of and start using the invention of the PARAGRAPH View attachment 285466

So, the law of Moses under the OLD Covenant was not the end destination that the Lord desired for man. The NEW Covenant is the desired end destination God desires for man which is for His people to be born again abiding In the Body Christ with the Holy Spirit abiding in them. The New Covenant is based on better promises than the old covenant was. (Hebrews 8:6)

The sabbath was ordained as part of the Mosaic Law in Exodus 20:8-11. Moses served as a high priest (Exodus 28:1) and as a prophet of the Lord, and He was faithful in his calling over his house (the old covenant). There is NO evidence in scripture of Adam and Eave, or Job, or other people in God's Word keeping the sabbath prior to the Mosaic Law which was given to the Jews.

Hebrews 3:5,6
And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a Son over His own house; whose house are we, IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. (God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

God’s people are no longer living under the Law of Moses. Now God’s people are living under the Law of Christ (also called the law of liberty, law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus – see Galatians 6:2, 1 Corinthians 9:21, James 2:12, James 1:25, Romans 8:2)

And sadly some reject the Lordship of High Priestly ministry of Jesus Christ and continue trying to live under Moses as their high priest and of course that ends badly as they are rejecting Jesus as their Lord and Savior and apparently don't even know it. View attachment 285467

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Can you please point out where Moses name is in these commandments please? You do know Moses is not God right? He was a type of Christ but he was a servant of God, the creation, not that he was God the Creator Exo20:11

According to my Bible God and Moses gave credit to God for His commandments the Ten Commandments why God's name is in each one of them on how we are to love God, not Moses. This really cannot be more plain. God never left love to Him undefined, He quite literally wrote it out for us so we will have no excuses and they are much broader than people realize Psa 119:96 as Jesus taught Mat5:19-30


Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me (God) and keep My (God) commandments.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.