The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Undergrace1]

If this were true that God wrote the Ten Commandments on ink you would find this in the OT when God wrote the Ten Commandments- so prove it by Scripture and not your words. You would also have to prove the Author of the Ten Commandments is not the Spirit of the living God. You want me to ignore what God said on this matter and just trust you. Thank you, but no thanks. Your words are not Scripture and I will never trust man over my Creator.

So now, rather than be humble and apologise for bearing false witness you refuse to acknowledge part of what is written in the verse, once again, it covers what was on stone, which is the TC.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

So now, rather than be humble and apologise for bearing false witness you refuse to acknowledge part of what is written in the verse, once again, it covers what was on stone, which is the TC.

In my view, you'd be much better off with a different version of christianity

Paul is quoting OT, why are you so afraid of finding the Scripture to support your theory instead of resorting to accusations. You can’t prove your case so just result in accusing the brethren, I would be careful subjecting yourself to that spirit brother.

 

[Undergrace1]

Paul is quoting OT, why are you so afraid of finding the Scripture to support your theory and instead of resorting to accusation. You can’t prove your case so just result in accusing the brethren, I would be careful subjecting yourself to that spirit brother.

Well I will just leave it to others to make their own judgements as to what they think of your replies to me concerning 2Cor3:3, but in my view, it doesn't look good

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I am not afraid to find these Scriptures


2 Cor 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God,

Which law was written by the Spirit of the living God?

The Ten Commandments

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

What is the finger of God

Luke 11:20 But if I cast out demons with the finger of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

The Ten Commandments was written by the Spirit of the living God, not written with ink on paper, that fades but written on stone.

not on tablets of stone

Which law is being spoken of here? What law was written on tablets of stone by the Spirit of God?

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

And where did they go?

but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

Which is what the New Covenant is about God's laws now written in the heart, not changing the words of the covenant as God promised Psa89:34 God makes no mistakes, we do by not fully trusting Him.

 

[Undergrace1]

but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

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Well actually that is what the verse is stating!! You really are struggling with it aren't you!!
But the spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is upheld today seven days a week in believers, not one

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Well actually that is what the verse is stating!! You really are struggling with it aren't you!!
But ther spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is upheld today seven days a week in believers, not one

I provided the context around it, I would consider prayerful studying because the Spirit of the living God makes no mistakes we do by not fully trusting Him. The Scriptures are plainly there for those to see, since you refused to provide them, all will get sorted out in God’s time, I know we can’t reason together so I am going to move on.

 

[Undergrace1]

I proved the context around it, I would consider prayerful studying because the Spirit of the living God makes no mistakes we do by not fully trusting Him.

You just didn't understand the verse:
written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone BUT ON TABLETS OF HUMAN HEARTS

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You just didn't understand the verse:
written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone BUT ON TABLETS OF HUMAN HEARTS

The Ten Commandments was never written with ink and was written by the Spirit of the living God’s finger. You are not understanding what this is plainly stated

It’s saying NOT written with ink- what was written with ink? The laws written in scrolls by man. Not the Ten Commandments. Was written with the Spirit of the living God, who wrote the Ten Commandments? Go back and look at these plain Scriptures. Than it tells you where this law went that was not written by ink but written by the Spirit of the living God, it from tablets of stone to tablets of the heart, the same law they were just speaking of. The only change was the location, not the law. Just as God promised Psa89:34. Believe as you wish, this. Will get sorted out soon enough

 

[Undergrace1]

The Ten Commandments was never written with ink and was written by the Spirit of the living God. You are not understanding what this is plainly saying.

It’s saying NOT written with ink- what was written with ink? Not the Ten Commandments BUT was written with the SPirit of the living God, who wrote the Ten Commandments? Go back and look at these plain Scriptures. Than it tells you where this law went that was not written by ink but written by the Spirit of the living God, it went to tablets of stone, the same law they were just speaking of.

Your still arguing!!

 

[Undergrace1]

The Ten Commandments was never written with ink and was written by the Spirit of the living God. You are not understanding what this is plainly saying.

It’s saying NOT written with ink- what was written with ink? Not the Ten Commandments BUT was written with the SPirit of the living God, who wrote the Ten Commandments? Go back and look at these plain Scriptures. Than it tells you where this law went that was not written by ink but written by the Spirit of the living God, it went to tablets of stone, the same law they were just speaking of.

How can I put this any plainer for you, it is not now a law engraved in stone, but one written on tablets of human hearts, which you have already said you agreed with!! That's what the verse is saying

 

[SabbathBlessing]

How can I put this any plainer for you, it is not now a law engraved in stone, but one written on tablets of human hearts, which you have already said you agreed with!!

Yes, the same law because the Spirit of the living God, the Holy Spirit who wrote the Ten Commandments now placed them on tablets of flesh, God’s laws are to be part of who we are and we keep them through faith and love Rev14:12 Exo20:6 1John5:3 and His Spirit John14:115-18 based on what He does inside us unless we refuse them Rom8:7-8

 

[Undergrace1]

Yes, the same law because the Spirit of the living God, the Holy Spirit who wrote the Ten COmmandments now placed them on tablets of flesh, God’s laws are to be part of who we are and we keep them through faith and love Rev14:12 Exo20:6 1John5:3 based on what He does inside us unless we refuse to support are Rom8:7-8

Well firstly, no need to apologise for all that bearing false witness, I wouldn't expect it
Secondly, if you believe you have the TC written in your mind and placed on your heart, why do you keep repeating ''you must obey the TC?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Well firstly, no need to apologise for all that bearing false witness, I wouldn't expect it
Secondly, if you believe you have the TC written in your mind and placed on your heart, why do you keep repeating ''you must obey the TC?

Because disobeying them is sin, rebellion 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7 Heb3:7-19 and will sadly lead one in the wrong direction Heb10:26-30

Brother you really need to stop with the allegations and accusations it’s in almost every post of yours, we need to remember where the spirit of the accuser of the brethren comes from, its best to just stick with the Scriptures if you disagree with someone.


Its best I move on, this is not fruitful all will get sorted on in God’s time. I do wish you well.

 

[GWH]

So now, rather than be humble and apologise for bearing false witness you refuse to acknowledge part of what is written in the verse, once again, it covers what was on stone, which is the TC.

Yes, as does Eph. 2:4-22, which says the law and commandments were abolished by the cross/New Covenant (cf. Heb. 7:11-10:1).

 

[Undergrace1]

Because disobeying them is sin, rebellion 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7 Heb3:7-19 and will sadly lead one in the wrong direction Heb10:26-30

Brother you really need to stop with the allegations and accusations it’s in almost every post of yours, we need to remember where the spirit of the accuser of the brethren comes from, its best to just stick with the Scriptures if you disagree with someone.


Its best I move on, this is not fruitful all will get sorted on in God’s time. I do wish you well.

I see you are out of answers, that is why you wrote the response you did, happens all the time
If you really believed the TC were written in the minds and placed on the hearts of all believers, it would be a pointless exercise to tell anyone: ''You must obey the TC''
What is in a persons mind they in their mind must know, and what has been placed in their heart is what they desire to follow.
It would be as pointless as me telling you ''You must follow your twelve times tables'' which I assume you know.
And if you believed that law was in your heart and mind, you would not need conviction from an external law written in ink

 

[Undergrace1]

Yes, as does Eph. 2:4-22, which says the law and commandments were abolished by the cross/New Covenant (cf. Heb. 7:11-10:1).

Law as we all naturally understand law to mean has been abolished, for that law comes in two parts, what is written in the law and the penalty for transgression, Jesus died to pay our penalty of transgression. But what is written in what many term the moral law is holy, just and good(Rom7:12) Jesus did not die to abolish what is holy, just and good, he died to end man's condemnation under what is holy, just and good.
What is written in nine of the TC got transferred into the hearts and minds of believers, but NOT as a law as we all naturally understand law to mean
It simply means, in a believers mind they instinctively know God does not want them to steal, lie, murder, commit adultery, take His name in vain covet. And if you think of that, apart from the words ''TC'' it is a good thing believers know that in their mind
Believers also in their hearts( the flesh is another matter) do not want to do those things. And if you think about it, apart from relating it to a law engraved in stone, it is good christians do not want to do those things
Only because what was written in applicable law is now in the hearts and minds of believers will:
Your sins and lawless deeds be remembered no more, for Jesus died for them
You have a righteousness apart from obeying the TC, apart from not committing murder, stealing, committing adultery etc. What is to stop you going out and sinning as much as you like? What was written in the law now being in your heart. You do not want to act that way in your heart, so you do not need the penalty for transgression hanging over you, you are free

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Yes, as does Eph. 2:4-22, which says the law and commandments were abolished by the cross/New Covenant (cf. Heb. 7:11-10:1).

Such a grave misunderstanding of Paul’s writings. As if Paul removed the Testimony of God and commandment to only worship God our Creator. Exo20:3 Exo20:11 Rev14:7 and countermand God and the teachings of Jesus Mat5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13


This is the words of Jesus before the Revelation of His Second Coming. God’s Ten Commandments are the standard of His judgement regardless if we choose to accept them or not. Rev 11:18-19 why they are under God’s mercy seat or atonement seat Exo25:21 in heaven Rev15:5 Rev11:19. I can see why the devil hates them so much, because he would do anything to see us disobey God.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of the commandments 1 John 2:4) Breaking one we break them all James 2:11-12 Exo 20:1-17 .

No one can remove the Blessings of God, because man is not God and never will be. Num23:19-20

Guess we will see if God's standard of righteousness Psa119:172 Isa56:1-2 ended at the Cross or is eternal as we are told Psa119:142

 

[GWH]

Such a grave misunderstanding of Paul’s writings. As if Paul removed the Testimony of God and commandment to only worship God our Creator. Exo20:3 Exo20:11 Rev14:7 and countermand God and the teachings of Jesus Mat5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13


This is the words of Jesus before the Revelation of His Second Coming. God’s Ten Commandments are the standard of His judgement regardless if we choose to accept them or not. Rev 11:18-19 why they are under God’s mercy seat or atonement seat Exo25:21 in heaven Rev15:5 Rev11:19. I can see why the devil hates them so much, because he would do anything to see us disobey God.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of the commandments 1 John 2:4) Breaking one we break them all James 2:11-12 Exo 20:1-17 .

No one can remove the Blessings of God, because man is not God and never will be. Num23:19-20

Guess we will see if God's standard of righteousness Psa119:172 Isa56:1-2 ended at the Cross or is eternal as we are told Psa119:142

Re "Such a grave misunderstanding of Paul’s writings": Denying Eph. 2:4-22 and Heb. 7:11-10:1 is indeed grave,
because it is heretical, perverting the NC or Gospel of salvation via grace through faith in the work of Christ on the cross
(cf. Gal. 1:6-9 & 3:1-4).

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Re "Such a grave misunderstanding of Paul’s writings": Denying Eph. 2:4-22 and Heb. 7:11-10:1 is indeed grave,
because it is heretical, perverting the NC or Gospel of salvation via grace through faith in the work of Christ on the cross.

I am not denying it, just allowing the context to explain itself and not twisting to countermand what God promised He would not change Psa89:34 Mat5:18-30 and the path Jesus said leads to a ditch Mat15:3-14.

 

[Qt]

Sinfull passions are aroused in us by the law Rom7:5

says nowhere in scripture.
Here are all the occurrences of the word you translate passions. It is translated motions in the KJV in Rom 7:5. I do not like that either, considering it is translated affliction and suffering everywhere else.

Total KJV Occurrences: 16
• affections, 1
Gal 5:24

• afflictions, 3
2Tim 3:11; Heb 10:32; 1Pet 5:9

• motions, 1
Rom 7:5

• suffering, 1
Heb 2:9

• sufferings, 10
Rom 8:18; 2Cor 1:5; 2Cor 1:6; 2Cor 1:7; Phil 3:10; Col 1:24; Heb 2:10; 1Pet 1:11; 1Pet 4:13; 1Pet 5:1

Couple that with the fact what the word actually means.

Thayer Lexicon: - Original: πάθημα
- Transliteration: Pathema
- Phonetic: path'-ay-mah
- Definition:
1. that which one suffers or has suffered
a. externally, a suffering, misfortune, calamity, evil, affliction
1. of the sufferings of christ
2. also the afflictions which Christians must undergo in behalf of the same cause which christ patiently endured
b. of an inward state, an affliction, passion
2. an enduring, undergoing, suffering
- Origin: from a presumed derivative of G3806
- TDNT entry: 20:30,8
- Part(s) of speech: Noun Neuter

- Strong's: From a presumed derivative of G3806; something undergone that is hardship or pain; subjectively an emotion or influence: - affection affliction motion suffering.

Surely we don't need dictionaries,

All knowledge and wisdom is from God. When it comes to reading and understanding, yes we do.

...discernment will do:
Someone says to a young teenager

‘’The righteous/justified will obey the TC,

Let us suppose the young teenager is not in ignorance as to what is entailed in obeying the TC, they know no watered down version of them exists. Before them stands the tenth commandment. They must NOT lust/ dwell on any impure thought. What will go through the young teenagers mind?



‘’I must not dwell on any impure thought, if I do it shows I Am not justified before God and will end up in hell’’

Im sure the young man would be petrified of such thoughts, what could you fear more, as a believer than being cast into hell for eternity?

Can you escape thinking of what you fear, or, will thoughts of what you fear consume you? Speaking for myself, when I was young, the more I feared something, the more wild imaginations went through my mind concerning what I feared, and so, concerning the young teenager:

‘’I don’t want to go to hell, I must not dwell on any impure thought, I must not’’



What will be the result? Well it shouldn‘t take much discernment to know. But Paul can explain it. In Rom7:7-11 he is speaking of the time the law came to him, as a thirteen year old, for that is when a young Jewish lad made a personal commitment to God:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence/sexual desire. For without the law sin was dead. Rom7:7&8

Sin wrought in him all manner of concupiscence not the Law. For he would not have known sin but by the Law. As the previous verse stated.


Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.