Loss of salvation???

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Jesus said, "I am the Light of the world...." And The Light shines on all the world.



You said this of Genez after asking if he had been one of your inmates. Did you not care for any of them to even remember if one was ever under your charge (i.e. care)?



I pretend to be interested in my line of thinking about what HIS word says, even of which I have already thrown light on.
I think you walk in darkness. 1Jn 1:6

First, what JESUS say has nothing to do with us being reborn.

Second what I say to Genez is none of your bussines unless we are speaking about GODS word.

FYI, JESUS love us all the same. Convicts and I had many conversations about JESUS and I shared JESUS with muslims convicts.

Do to being a JESUS follower some fellow offices didn't like me as so many on this sight for speaking the truth and putting JESUS first!!!!!!

Third why don't you just say you don't agree with what we have to do to be reborn???

Those who REFUSE to OBEY JESUS and HIS word are hell bound as it looks like you are.
 
First, what JESUS say has nothing to do with us being reborn.

Second what I say to Genez is none of your bussines unless we are speaking about GODS word.

FYI, JESUS love us all the same. Convicts and I had many conversations about JESUS and I shared JESUS with muslims convicts.

Do to being a JESUS follower some fellow offices didn't like me as so many on this sight for speaking the truth and putting JESUS first!!!!!!

Third why don't you just say you don't agree with what we have to do to be reborn???

Those who REFUSE to OBEY JESUS and HIS word are hell bound as it looks like you are.
James 3:1- Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you realize that we will be judged more strictly,
 
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Who are you addressing that to?

Has to be some reason?

If to me, explain why!!

If you see me doing something stupid your suppose to speak to me about it.
Discussing Scripture and its application to our times and lives is a great thing to do. However, this verse and several others warn us that when we take on the role of a teacher, we should be very cautious when telling others how to interpret certain verses. I was in a discussion years ago when one of the participants asked me why I had to be so dogmatic. Heck, I had to look that word up.

Several more decades of study have reinforced the fact that there is a huge difference between the gift of an evangelist and that of a teacher. Sharing and teaching the Gospel are both gifts, but they are quite different. A forum, such as this, can be challenging, and oftentimes we let emotions over ride our thinking.

This verse is for everyone, not just me or you.
 
Discussing Scripture and its application to our times and lives is a great thing to do. However, this verse and several others warn us that when we take on the role of a teacher, we should be very cautious when telling others how to interpret certain verses. I was in a discussion years ago when one of the participants asked me why I had to be so dogmatic. Heck, I had to look that word up.

Several more decades of study have reinforced the fact that there is a huge difference between the gift of an evangelist and that of a teacher. Sharing and teaching the Gospel are both gifts, but they are quite different. A forum, such as this, can be challenging, and oftentimes we let emotions over ride our thinking.

This verse is for everyone, not just me or you.

I appricate you, you are rightr as they all are.

lucky I don't interpret HIS word I just share it.

Do you know something I don't?

Interpreting HIS word is why there are so many different denominations going on so I keep ME out of it. I'm not the one who died for us.

I don't tell anyone what HIS word say, I do repent it.

For instance I will say, we get rid of our sins when we get baptized in JESUS name which someone could say "that's your opinoin".

But I have to do is back up what I say with HIS word proving it is not my opinion.

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Acts 22:16
King James Version
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

If your refering to my statement, Satan plan, keep them out of the water if they get in the water keep JESUS name out of it.

Of Satan knows what happens in the water.

Those are truly my own words and never thought of backing them up with GODS word, BUT since I have been sharing HIS word BAPTISM is the most fought against arguable subject thing there is and GOD revealed it to me.

It's also THE ONLY way we get rid of our sins, and I know Satan doesn't want us to get rid of them.

We good? Instruct away I'm open.
 
Right. And He has.

Read Revelation 1:1-7. There are 3 phrases in the 1st 7 verses that speak of the imminency of the prophecy. Can you pick them out?

Unless you are talking about Jesus showing himself to the apostles which i could atleast see how you could call that his second time on earth. Verse 7 says all the tribes of the earth. I dont see any native Americans or Inuit or Chinese or Indian stories about the sky splitting in half as he returns. Quite sure someone would of written about that one. Quite sure someone would of written about 200 million scorpion riders comming out of a black hole to run around the world and torment people. Pretty sure people would of written about all the water on earth being turned to blood killing every form of life that lives in the water. The bible isint the only written source about Jesus. His name is carved in stones all throughout that region. But yet no one on earth recorded 200 million scorpion riders or all the water on earth turning to blood. Come on here. You are entering the flat earth mentality at this point.
 
Unless you are talking about Jesus showing himself to the apostles which i could atleast see how you could call that his second time on earth. Verse 7 says all the tribes of the earth. I dont see any native Americans or Inuit or Chinese or Indian stories about the sky splitting in half as he returns. Quite sure someone would of written about that one. Quite sure someone would of written about 200 million scorpion riders comming out of a black hole to run around the world and torment people. Pretty sure people would of written about all the water on earth being turned to blood killing every form of life that lives in the water. The bible isint the only written source about Jesus. His name is carved in stones all throughout that region. But yet no one on earth recorded 200 million scorpion riders or all the water on earth turning to blood. Come on here. You are entering the flat earth mentality at this point.
Grace and peace.
 
First, what JESUS say has nothing to do with us being reborn.

Second what I say to Genez is none of your bussines unless we are speaking about GODS word.

FYI, JESUS love us all the same. Convicts and I had many conversations about JESUS and I shared JESUS with muslims convicts.

Do to being a JESUS follower some fellow offices didn't like me as so many on this sight for speaking the truth and putting JESUS first!!!!!!

Third why don't you just say you don't agree with what we have to do to be reborn???

Those who REFUSE to OBEY JESUS and HIS word are hell bound as it looks like you are.
You're right, I shouldn't assume that it is obvious that I disagree and plainly state, " I don't not see it as how you see it." And I can see how Muslims might 'get you' better than I do. Asking for everyone's certificate of baptism to prove they're saved sounds like what Barney Fife would do. It's no different than the display of legalism that the Pharisees would demand. Jesus kept the law perfectly, every jot and tittle, because I could not, in order to free me from it, through faith in His death, burial, and resurrection. And neither you nor anyone else is going to put me back under it.
 
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You're right, I shouldn't assume that it is obvious that I disagree and plainly state, " I don't not see it as how you see it." And I can see how Muslims might 'get you' better than I do. Asking for everyone's certificate of baptism to prove they're saved sounds like what Barney Fife would do. It's no different than the display of legalism that the Pharisees would demand. Jesus kept the law perfectly, every jot and tittle, because I could not, in order to free me from it, through faith in His death, burial, and resurrection. And neither you nor anyone else is going to put me back under it.

Don't see what that I see? What do I see?

I never said anything except share HIS word.

If we are not born again, believe, repent, get baprized in JESUS name and pray for JESUS to fill us with HIS sprirt we are lost!!!

I don't do anything different to muslims than when I talk to others that are lost.

Certificate of baptism??? Where did that come from, JESUS don't need paper wook HE NEED US TO OBEY HE knows that HE forgave our sins when we obeyed and was bapitized.

I share HIS word and let JESUS do the talking, my job is done and JESUS is the one who gives the increse.

I don't ask anyone to follow me, I didn't die for no one.

His death burial and resurrection does us no good at all unless we follow HIS rule book on how to be saved.

We all have choices to make.
 
I never said anything except share HIS word.

I think we are all getting tired of the mantra.

Why don't you share the following?

Ephesians 4:5
one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

Acts 1:5
for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Acts 11:16
Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

You have your interpretation just like the rest of us and that's the one you push. You insist water baptism is necessary to salvation when there are verses that say different but you ignore those ones to suit your own agenda.

You are not fooling anyone.

grace and peace.
 
Don't see what that I see? What do I see?

I never said anything except share HIS word.

If we are not born again, believe, repent, get baprized in JESUS name and pray for JESUS to fill us with HIS sprirt we are lost!!!

I don't do anything different to muslims than when I talk to others that are lost.

Certificate of baptism??? Where did that come from, JESUS don't need paper wook HE NEED US TO OBEY HE knows that HE forgave our sins when we obeyed and was bapitized.

I share HIS word and let JESUS do the talking, my job is done and JESUS is the one who gives the increse.

I don't ask anyone to follow me, I didn't die for no one.

His death burial and resurrection does us no good at all unless we follow HIS rule book on how to be saved.

We all have choices to make.
It's okay. You see baptism as the mark of salvation that makes it 'official.' And it's not that I don't believe in baptism, except that's where our communication gets muddled. You see water as the officiating body, and that's something that can clearly be evidenced by the witness of a certificate. On the other hand, it's almost impossible for me to produce 'proof' in what I view the officiating body, faith with the seal of the Holy Spirit, which are evidenced by the fruit thereof.
 
I think we are all getting tired of the mantra.

Why don't you share the following?

Ephesians 4:5
one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

Acts 1:5
for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Acts 11:16
Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

You have your interpretation just like the rest of us and that's the one you push. You insist water baptism is necessary to salvation when there are verses that say different but you ignore those ones to suit your own agenda.

You are not fooling anyone.

grace and peace.

I sure don't want to be fooling anyone.

Foundation is the key, take a look at this and tell me what you think, PLEASE.

FOUNDATION, the 12 apostles or Pauls?

Eternity is a long time, we better make sure we are following JESUS and HIS word, going down the straight and narrow path.

Do we jump over the book of Acts because it's a transitional book as so so many claim, ignoring it and go right to Paul’s letters? Or, accept the book of Acts because it is the FOUNDATION and not a transitional book?

The foundation of the book of Acts is believe in JESUS, repent, water baptism in JESUS name and need to receive the Holy Ghost to be reborn. Acts 2:38.

Following the same path that JESUS and HIS disciple took along with Paul before he started his ministry.

OR, is the book of Acts a transitional book and we are saved by grace and or faith ALONE?

Below you will see GOD'S words not anyone's opinion or personal interpretation of HIS word.

Why didn't Paul mention the need to be water baptized or receive the Holy Ghost to be saved?

Many do not understand and the outcome is going to be devastating.

Nowhere after the book of Acts will you see specific instructions on the how to be reborn or saved, NO WHERE why?

ALL OF Paul's letters WERE NOT written to the unsaved, but to the saved or reborn.

After the book of Acts in Paul's letters he was giving instructions about how to live, what to do as Christians to reach the lost, what happens in water baptism, and things about the Holy Ghost. Off the milk and on the MEAT.

Through Paul’s travels he heard different problems in the churches and was addressing the problems in each of his letters.

His letters included both CORRECTION and PRAISE.

If you were there to hear the instructions Paul gave that birthed churches it would be the same message as the rest of JESUS disciples. See Acts 19 it shows what Paul told the people to do.

Paul did NOT have his own gospel. Notice how he introduces himself PAUL AN APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST.

Look who the letters are addressed to,

1 Corinthians,
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

2 Corinthians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Romans,
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians,
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Ephesians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Philippians,
1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Colossians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:


All letters after the book of Thessalonians had nothing to with Paul’s ministry to churches.


Back to Paul

Proof Paul followed JESUS along with the rest of JESUS disciples is seen in what happened in the beginning stages of when he started the church of Ephesus Acts 19. For some reason Paul questioned whether the 12 disciples had the Holy Ghost yet. He found out the men did not know what happened at Pentecost. He told them about JESUS and they got baptized. And after Paul laid hands on them they received the Holy Ghost.

Acts 19,
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

After Paul baptized those folk, and they received the Holy Ghost he stayed there for 2-3 years building the church of Jews and Gentiles.

If anyone debates Paul preached a different message, it's HIS word your debating not with me.

I bet there will be a lot of people who share Paul's letters trying to prove Paul said we are saved by grace or faith alone using Paul letters and debate HIS word.

BEFORE you do, read from the top with an open heart and look , Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ and each and every letter is to a church, not the unsaved.

We CAN'T debate HIS word, it says what it say and means what it means.
 
It's okay. You see baptism as the mark of salvation that makes it 'official.' And it's not that I don't believe in baptism, except that's where our communication gets muddled. You see water as the officiating body, and that's something that can clearly be evidenced by the witness of a certificate. On the other hand, it's almost impossible for me to produce 'proof' in what I view the officiating body, faith with the seal of the Holy Spirit, which are evidenced by the fruit thereof.

So you do not agree with when we get baptized in JESUS name we get our sins removed?

When you say we are sealed with the Holy Ghost do you mean like HIS discoples were in Acts 2:4?

Fruits of the spirit can't happen unless we are filled with it right?
 
So you do not agree with when we get baptized in JESUS name we get our sins removed?

When you say we are sealed with the Holy Ghost do you mean like HIS discoples were in Acts 2:4?

Fruits of the spirit can't happen unless we are filled with it right?
Are you thinking of a seal as in a Ziploc bag kind of seal to make it airtight? I think in lines of a mark or a stamp of certification.
 
Are you thinking of a seal as in a Ziploc bag kind of seal to make it airtight? I think in lines of a mark or a stamp of certification.

It don't matter what we think, this is what JESUS says.

Mark 16:16-17
King James Version
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Meaning if your not baptized you will not be saved!!!

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Meaning when JESUS fills you, you will speak in tongues.

Do you like the words that come out of HIS mouth?
 
It don't matter what we think, this is what JESUS says.

Mark 16:16-17
King James Version
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Meaning if your not baptized you will not be saved!!!

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Meaning when JESUS fills you, you will speak in tongues.

Do you like the words that come out of HIS mouth?

You can pretend you're not a nutjob, but that doesn't make the evidence any less clear.
 
You can pretend you're not a nutjob, but that doesn't make the evidence any less clear.

So JESUS is a nut job? That's between you and HIM.

You do know that is what HE said right?

I'm just the messanger, your the one who makes statement you can't back up with GODS word!!

Yep YOU.

Who do you follow? Allah? Budda? Satan?
 
So JESUS is a nut job? That's between you and HIM.

You do know that is what HE said right?

I'm just the messanger, your the one who makes statement you can't back up with GODS word!!

Yep YOU.

Who do you follow? Allah? Budda? Satan?

You haven't been certified, have you?