Saving Faith in Christ is not Faith Alone in Christ

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Dino246 said:
It is hard to understand why you continue to misrepresent “faith alone”, continue to rail against your misinterpretation, and then have the audacity to complain about others who misinterpret ideas.
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It is not hard to understand why you continue to represent “faith alone”, and continue to rail against your opponents, and then have the audacity to complain about others who oppose your ideas.

It's because some people hate opposition of any kind, while others welcome it, if it's correction by Scripture.
 
ATG said:
Then you are doubly condemned for preaching saved by Faith Alone with sinning.

Jas 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

We will all account to God for what we say and do, not just by what people only believe.

1 Peter {1:15}
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judges according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Rev{20:12}
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

People can have all the Faith Alone in the world, and God will still judge us by our works, without respect of what people only to believe.
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Don't you commit sin?
 
sawdust said:
ATG said:
Everyone I know who says "faith alone" is referring to faith without works for salvation.

Then you and I know different people. Our works come out of our faith. No faith, no works. Works are a result of saving faith, not a condition to obtain saving faith.
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I.e. Works are not a condition to obtain saving faith alone without works. Which, of course, refers to the "faith alone" that is faith without works for salvation.

You want to be different from other people with Faith Alone, without a difference in your Faith Alone.

Rather than rephrasing Faith Alone to make it sound better, why not just repent of having Faith Alone, and instead receive Jesus' faith that always does good, and not evil?

sawdust said:
No faith, no works. Works are a result of saving faith, .
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Dead faith, no works. All Faith Alone without works, is dead to God and man.

Sinful works are not a result of saving faith in Jesus Christ, but only from a faith in a false Christ alone.
 
ATG said:
Why? Because you do?

Not me today.

Have you already committed your unrighteousness today?
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Here’s a sample list of what it would take to obey the TC, Christ’s teaching and the second greatest commandment and avoid sin. Remember, not one slip up, or you commit sin

Let’s start with the Ten Commandments:
Do you ever put anything before God in your life?
Do you ever build any graven images in your mind?
Do you always honour your parents without exception.
Have you ever looked at a woman with lust in your eye? (Jesus ratified the commandment)
Have you ever fibbed about anyone, or been untruthful about a person in anyway?
Have you dwelt on any impure thought?
Do you ever desire ANYTHING of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household?
Do you fully obey the law relating to the inner man, the law only you and God need know you break?
Jesus commands:
If someone asked to lend from you would you gladly lend to them without ever expecting anything back?
If someone stole from you, would you offer them more than what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them?
Do you not invite friends or family home for a meal, but rather the poor, blind, lame and beggars?
If you have ever fasted, have you even hinted to anyone you are fasting?
Do you truly in your heart love your enemies, those who may malign, harass or persecute you?
Do you leap for joy if you are persecuted?
Second greatest commandment
Do you always truly love all those you come into contact with in thought, word or deed, constantly, including your enemies, those who may be unkind to you, persecute or harass you?

All examples of what it takes to obey the TC, Christ’s teaching and the second greatest commandment.
 
NightTwister said:
"1Jo 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

If we walk in darkness and say we have sin, we know we have no fellowship with Him, and not doing the truth."

You just changed the meaning of the verse with your own words.
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You just rejected the meaning of the verse by your own Faith Alone.
 
Undergrace1 said:
Here’s a sample list of what it would take to obey the TC, Christ’s teaching and the second greatest commandment and avoid sin. Remember, not one slip up, or you commit sin

Let’s start with the Ten Commandments:
Do you ever put anything before God in your life?
Do you ever build any graven images in your mind?
Do you always honour your parents without exception.
Have you ever looked at a woman with lust in your eye? (Jesus ratified the commandment)
Have you ever fibbed about anyone, or been untruthful about a person in anyway?
Have you dwelt on any impure thought?
Do you ever desire ANYTHING of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household?
Do you fully obey the law relating to the inner man, the law only you and God need know you break?
Jesus commands:
If someone asked to lend from you would you gladly lend to them without ever expecting anything back?
If someone stole from you, would you offer them more than what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them?
Do you not invite friends or family home for a meal, but rather the poor, blind, lame and beggars?
If you have ever fasted, have you even hinted to anyone you are fasting?
Do you truly in your heart love your enemies, those who may malign, harass or persecute you?
Do you leap for joy if you are persecuted?
Second greatest commandment
Do you always truly love all those you come into contact with in thought, word or deed, constantly, including your enemies, those who may be unkind to you, persecute or harass you?

All examples of what it takes to obey the TC, Christ’s teaching and the second greatest commandment.
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Doing His word. Today. Innocent of all charges. Today. When we're living by Jesus' faith to only do good, we have no need to do evil.

And, since you have sin and commit sin, which one, or how many of these, have you transgressed today?

And since you acknowledge you disobey Jesus, then why are you justified with Him, when others that disobey God and His word, are condemned?

2Th 1:6
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

P.s. Sinfully disobeying God is not a 'slip up', but an unrighteous trasngression of His word.
 
ATG said:
So, since you have sin and commit sin, which one, or how many of these have you transgressed today?

And since you acknowledge you disobey Jesus, then why are you justified with Him, when others that disobey God and His word, are condemned?

2Th 1:6
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
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So you perfectly without slip obey all of Jesus commands in the gospels? Wow, in over fifty years Ive never come across such a person. Well done indeed!
 
ATG said:
It is not hard to understand why you continue to represent “faith alone”, and continue to rail against your opponents, and then have the audacity to complain about others who oppose your ideas.

It's because some people hate opposition of any kind, while others welcome it, if it's correction by Scripture.
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Which yours isn’t.
 
ATG said:
Doing His word. Today. Innocent of all charges. Today. When we're living by Jesus' faith to only do good, we have no need to do evil.

And, since you have sin and commit sin, which one, or how many of these, have you transgressed today?

And since you acknowledge you disobey Jesus, then why are you justified with Him, when others that disobey God and His word, are condemned?

2Th 1:6
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

P.s. Sinfully disobeying God is not a 'slip up', but an unrighteous trasngression of His word.
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I guess you must be living a more holy life than the Apostle John:
If we(John includes himself in the we) claim(present tense) to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us 1John1:8
 
ATG said:
Then you are doubly condemned for preaching saved by Faith Alone with sinning.
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How is it that so many people who do not understand that salvation is by faith alone in Christ, meaning no good deeds, no nothing, just Jesus.

This comment above is both nasty and very wrong. I have been using this forum a good many years now (not my first membership so don't go by that) and I have never seen any post wherein anyone has said that faith gives you permission to sin. Never. Further, that has been explained multiple of multiple times over the years and yet this lie persists.

It is a pernicious lie and those spreading it, should ask themselves why they persist in this lie no matter how much biblical evidence to the contrary is presented. Study scripture. It does not say we become sinless when we follow Christ. It does not say the 10 commandments are the new covenant. It does not say if you do no 'works' you are not saved. It does not say anywhere that anything adds to salvation through Christ. EVERYTHING that occurs AFTER genuine salvation is not salvation. It portrays salvation is actual and true.

There is something dark and badly wrong to keep insisting that people have said they keep on sinning. Claiming you have no sin is the actual problem.
 
pinebeach said:
Don't waste your time on me. I don't consider your personal insights into scripture to be an education.
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I don't. As I said, at a certain point it's only a practical exercise in correcting what others say by Scripture. Afterall, it's only courteous to respond to people that keep coming back for me...

You take the time to preach your saving Faith Alone with sinning, and I take the time to correct your salvation with sin.

Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jhn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 Peter{1:22}
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

2Pe 1:3
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue. Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.


pinebeach said:
Anyone can copy/paste scripture but not everyone can confuse the meaning with consistency as happens with a good deal of your posts.
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Anyone can copy/paste Scripture, but not everyone can ignore the meaning with consistency, as happens against your Faith Alone.

Here's another Scripture, that rebukes your Faith Alone, that says all Christians will do unrighteousness. And no Christian can only do righteousness:

Psa 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

I have posted many such Scriptures many times, and not once has any of the Scriptures been acknowledged, much less agreed with.

When you acknowledge and believe the Scripture, that Christians can be blessed by Jesus' faith to do His righteousness at all times, then you will no longer be arguing against Jesus' blessed promise by your own Faith Alone.
 
ATG said:
I have posted many such Scriptures many times, and not once has any of the Scriptures been acknowledged, much less agreed with.

When you acknowledge and believe the Scripture, that Christians can be blessed by Jesus' faith to do His righteousness at all times, then you will no longer be arguing against Jesus' blessed promise by your own Faith Alone.
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We don't believe YOUR definition of Faith Alone. You continue to misrepresent it. I have to believe it's intentional now.
 
ATG said:
I don't. As I said, at a certain point it's only a practical exercise in correcting what others say by Scripture. Afterall, it's only courteous to respond to people that keep coming back for me...

You take the time to preach your saving Faith Alone with sinning, and I take the time to correct your salvation with sin.

Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jhn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 Peter{1:22}
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

2Pe 1:3
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue. Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.




Anyone can copy/paste Scripture, but not everyone can ignore the meaning with consistency, as happens against your Faith Alone.

Here's another Scripture, that rebukes your Faith Alone, that says all Christians will do unrighteousness. And no Christian can only do righteousness:

Psa 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

I have posted many such Scriptures many times, and not once has any of the Scriptures been acknowledged, much less agreed with.

When you acknowledge and believe the Scripture, that Christians can be blessed by Jesus' faith to do His righteousness at all times, then you will no longer be arguing against Jesus' blessed promise by your own Faith Alone.
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Says the person who consistently thinks they are sinless and who presents the lie that those who trust in Christ alone also keep on sinning.

And like I said, you can paste scripture till the cows come home, but the barn door is closed and you do not seem to know what you are talking about as myself and many others have said over and over.
 
ATG said:
Psa 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.
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Since you keep posting things about others that are not true, you cannot be blessed in this lack of righteousness you exhibit.

Maybe you should stop proclaiming how righteous you are. God might push you off your self righteous throner.
 
ATG said:
This isn't a private board from which to teach and be sarcastically respond to. It's entirely public.
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Why do you think I and others keep refuting your misrepresentation of scripture? We are SUPER DUPER HAPPY anyone can read the posts. It's a good thing :giggle::giggle::giggle:

A 5 year old child would and could understand what the Bible says about salvation and what happens afterwards. I know this, because I was one.

I knew, as a child, that I could still disobey my parents or do something that made me feel bad or act out. I would pray as CHILD and ask God to help me and I understood I wanted to please Him. God answered my kiddie prayers then and now years later, He still answers my adult prayers.

You would be wise not to continue to come up with your harrassing accusations that we all live in sin. That is a false accusation and by now, as another poster said, we are starting to think you do it on purpose.
 
pinebeach said:
I don't remember this being your own private board from which to teach and sarcastically address other people.
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This isn't a private board from which to teach and be sarcastically respond to. It's entirely public.

pinebeach said:
pinebeach said:
"You are acting like a jerk, not a Christian."

Again though, use the quote feature. For one thing I know for a fact I have never called you a jerk but you try to make it seem I did.
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"Post #66
Dino246, post: 5671882, member: 223333"] I really don’t care if you agree, but when you essentially lie about what others believe, you are acting like a jerk, not a Christian."

Technically, I never said you called me a jerk, but only quoted your words of acting like one. A difference without a difference.

I am believing that one of the blind spots of having Faith Alone, is that people say things at times, that they think matters, and then quickly forget, and move on to something else as meaningless, that they will also forget.

It's the vacuous practice of some people, that is called just saying whatever comes to mind at the time. But, though they forget themselves, the Lord does not:

Mat 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Matth 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned…for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Jesus Christ the righteous will call every work and word into account, that men say and do on earth...And neither by anyone's Faith Alone will any be excused, nor by forgetting what anyone says by the Faith Alone.
 
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