"Prayer" How did we get here?

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Cameron143 said:
While I do think belief is much more than simply being intellectual assent, I wouldn't characterize it as submission, although submission will attend one who exercises faith. Rather, I see it as a radical trust in what God has revealed. So I believe faith or belief is more robust than solely submission.
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Watchman22 said:
I don't think I ever mention the word submission.
Maybe I'm asking more than your willing to do?
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See how he's trying to manipulate you? Make you feel inferior to him? Instill guilt that you aren't doing enough? Get you to only use the language and terms he wants you to use so that he can control the discussion and subsequently control your mind?
 
Watchman22 said:
I don't think I ever mention the word submission.
Maybe I'm asking more than your willing to do?
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I just went to the thread and read your opening post:

Vines posteuo...a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender.
 
Cameron143 said:
While I do think belief is much more than simply being intellectual assent, I wouldn't characterize it as submission, although submission will attend one who exercises faith. Rather, I see it as a radical trust in what God has revealed. So I believe faith or belief is more robust than solely submission.
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Submission, or better, submitting to authority, is a part of a walk of faith, but not the whole ball of wax
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
See how he's trying to manipulate you? Make you feel inferior to him? Instill guilt that you aren't doing enough? Get you to only use the language and terms he wants you to use so that he can control the discussion and subsequently control your mind?
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You must think I have a very weak mind.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
That really didn't cross my mind. More like play by play commentary. Did you pick up on the things I mentioned?
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I don't really care if this is a pattern. I haven't felt manipulated, mostly because I can't be manipulated. So long as anyone is seeking answers, I'm amenable to give them.
 
Watchman22 said:
Gods power is made perfect through weakness.
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A man can surrender everything he has and it will profit him nothing without love.

And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:3​
 
According to Luke Praying is Audible:

2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Father, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.

The word SAY indicates words being spoken from the mouth.
 
lrs68 said:
According to Luke Praying is Audible:

2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Father, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.

The word SAY indicates words being spoken from the mouth.
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Yes, as He taught, in secret.
 
Watchman22 said:
Yes, as He taught, in secret.
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And Paul taught the Prayer involving Speaking in Tongues was spoken so the unsaved could hear.

That's the opposite of praying in secret.

No doubt Paul prayed in front of people both Speaking in Tongues and normal language.
 
Think about the Upper Room when people passing by heard them Praying and Speaking in Tongues. They were loud enough hundreds of people heard them.

So Group Prayer is much different in concept and rules than Individual Prayer.
 
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lrs68 said:
And Paul taught the Prayer involving Speaking in Tongues was spoken so the unsaved could hear.

That's the opposite of praying in secret.

No doubt Paul prayed in front of people both Speaking in Tongues and normal language.
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Tongues isn't the same as what Jesus taught in Jn. 7: 5-6.
 
lrs68 said:
Think about the Upper Room when people passing by heard them Praying and Speaking in Tongues. They were loud enough hundreds of people heard them.

So Group Prayer is much different in concept and rules than Individual Prayer.
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Not sure about that. If they stayed true to what Jesus taught, they would have prayed within themselves, even in a group.
 
You can pray whenever you want, wherever you want, silently or out loud. You can laugh with God, cry with God, get mad at God, be thankful with God, ask for help from God, pray for others with God.

No rules or regulations after all it is just sharing your life, thoughts and all you are with God and He loves when we come to Him.

I have told the story before but I was mad at God and I don't remember why now and as I was walking across the parking lot to my car I said I'm mad and not going to talk to you. I heard a chuckle and then a question - what are you doing now? I laughed and whatever I was mad about went away. God does have a sense of humor.
 
Watchman22 said:
Not sure about that. If they stayed true to what Jesus taught, they would have prayed within themselves, even in a group.
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Most of the people within the 120 were with Jesus much of the time. If there was a rule they clearly disobeyed it.
 
Watchman22 said:
Tongues isn't the same as what Jesus taught in Jn. 7: 5-6.
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In some examples from Paul, Speaking in Tongues could happen as a result if you did follow the example from (I think you mean another Verse example).
 
Watchman22 said:
I put this challenge to the members. Show any biblical text that supports audible prayer. but remember the datum point Christ gave us.

And just a disclaimer, i understand that even when people are gathered into groups, they could stay true to what Jesus taught.
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How about this passage:

“For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified.” (1Co 14:14-17 NKJV)
 
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