Satan, just looking to make a crack in the armor.
Men in the year 325 who started the trinity and here we are.
The Deity of Christ. A must-know, if we are to grow.
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Satan, just looking to make a crack in the armor.
Men in the year 325 who started the trinity and here we are.
When JESUS was on earth he was 100% man and was here doing HIS will as an example to us, as we also are suppose to be doing HIS will.
I know it's deep, I ask them if there are 3 gods what are their names?
There are many verse who prove JESUS is GOD we need to put ALL of HIS word together.
Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Having the Holy Ghost helps us understand.
1 Corinthians 12
King James Version
1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
I will add, this is a life time journey none of us will know it all but we need to be humble.
I like this verse the best, JESUS speaking here on earth as HE is also in heaven.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Hebrews 2:
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
To experience life as a man in a body of flesh, to be tempted, overcome temptation, and now he can be touched with our infirmities.
Hebrews 4:
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
We are souls.
It was our soul that was created in God's image.
God delegated to the Soul of Jesus to possess all of God that a Soul can ever know and express of God.
That is why all the God we can ever know, even throughout all eternity, must come through Christ.
"No one comes to the Father except through me!"
I don't waste much time with them....
They are a diversion that can cause you sorrow if you believe you must change them.
It is you that must become stronger in better knowing sound teaching (your faith) than you had before...
And, that is what must take place in you in your attempts to refute their wrong ideas.
God has it for your own benefit that you learn more than you had before when presenting your refutation.
The ones that will not be helped are drones with pre-programmed minds.
They do not think truth.
They can only think in mantras and dogma.
It is those among them whom God has a hand upon that will find themselves wishing to disprove what they are taught, for themselves.
Your refutation may help those who already know something is wrong with what they were taught to believe.
I have met ex-Jehovah Witnesses that came out as God led them out.
The Holy Spirit did it.
God must open our eyes.
grace and peace ....
Sorry...
I am not very good at interpreting King James antique English.
And, it is not the most accurate translation.
We no longer speak and think in anachronisms that it contains.
It opens people up to subjective interpretations for that reason.
This pastor https://www.rbthieme.org/index.html#tabs-3 always began his lessons with the King James for his intro,
and could spend a great deal of time of bringing out the Greek and Hebrew exactness that the King James readers miss.
Jesus is being also God expressed and interpreted through the soul of Jesus. -
Interpreted for our souls, to have God translated into our human way of thinking.
grace and peace ...........
I am not very good at interpreting King James antique English. No worries
And, it is not the most accurate translation. The KJV is the word of God preserved in English.
Yes, it has been quite pointless trying to debate these unitarians. They will take scripture out of context and say what they think.. be disproved on that point, and then just return to the same point over and over.
Classic phrase they use - 'The Father is greater than I'
Not reading the context of Jesus soon ascending to equality with the Father, in the same position.
Jesus was in the flesh, limiting His power.. He was also on earth, in a lesser position to the Father. That didn't make Him a lesser being, mortal, unequal. What was going on was more like 'self-limiting' than unequal, inferior.
And the argument that He was being given power, that He didn't intrisically have.. falls down when you see Jesus performing things only God can do, for example, forgiving sin of those who haven't personally offended Him. Jesus forgives sin itself, not just the person who has tried to hurt Him.
Prior to the Incarnation?
He was eternally having the power of being God.
Philippians 2:6-8 states that he needed to forgo his power to make himself become as a man.
Who, though He eternally existed in the essence of God,
He did not think equalities {plural} with God
a gain to be seized (means to violently take) and held;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
Even death on a cross!
The Greek tense reveals that he was eternally existing in God.
Only God exists eternally.
If anything?
The Father delegated for the Son to stop being as God as to fulfill God's plan for the Atonement of man!
It is not humble to choose to remain ignorant.
Some feel that way.
It takes humility to accept the truth.
For when we accept the truth?
We die, so that He may increase in us.
grace and peace ............
Well, I agree He was preincarnate as God..but He never was not God. I would think He was self limiting ..not at anytime lesser than God.
I think you made the point of the hypostatic union of Christ clear.
This is essential for salvation.
This is one of the reasons why Catholics get saved at a much higher rate per capita than Jehovah's False Witnesses and Jews.
This is something that I teach when leading someone to Christ if I have any reason to think they might not believe this. While He is 100% Deity/God Almighty, He is also 100% perfect man.
Like you, the first verse that came to mind was John 8:58.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
The Old Testament reveals Theophanies, pre incarnate appearances of the Son of God on Earth. You already know, He's usually referred to as the messenger of the LORD. There are descriptions that revealed the LORD as having a body.
While being able to eat and appear as a human, we know that He was not truly humanity as we are. Adam was made in the image of God; however Jesus was not truly man until He was born of Mary.