What about this guy...is he all of a sudden unsaved? How do we prove it?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vfqtpLLhNLY
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vfqtpLLhNLY
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Loss of salvation???
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Lets take it another way;
Can we do anything we want and be saved as long as we believe in Jesus?
It's truly absurd to think that the lord can't take away what he has given. This is the same reasoning of the gnostics who thought that what they had been given could never be taken away from them.
1 John 3:7 - Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
The question is simple: does God command men to believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ?
NAS 1 John 3:23(a) And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ,...
Not can we, but will we? There is a vast difference in a man who is indwelt by the Spirit and one who is not. The one who is has God working in them willing and doing of His good pleasure, conforming him to the image of Christ...Philippians 2:12-13, Romans 8:29. Further, those whom God saves are disciplined when they sin, correcting their behavior...Hebrews 12:6. And lastly, the same Spirit that indwells the individual also convicts the individual of sin...2 Corinthians 7:10.
How many ways can one try to establish authority? Here it is by appealing to cultural and ethnic background.
More rhetoric from him - this time with some ambiguous conclusion.
Precious @Needevidence? Cart before the horse?:
We believe first, receive God's Eternal Life ( Need Evidence?: Because Of God's Own
All-Sufficient BLOOD Shed FOR All mankind, see 1, 2, and 3 ), and then "we either":
1) Obey the "Dispensation of Grace" Commandments Of God in Romans - Philemon,
which will bring "rewards" At Judgment (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV), or:
2) Disobey the "Dispensation of Grace" Commandments Of God in Romans - Philemon,
which will bring "NO rewards" At Judgment (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)
Notice Carefully v. 15:
"If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he
himself Shall Be Saved; yet so as by fire." (cp 1 Corinthians 5:5 AV)
Amen.
One doesn’t “lose” their salvation as in God won’t take it away because they’ve sinned too much. However, it is possible to depart from the faith. The Bible emphasizes on the "endurance of believers." That is, enduring in the faith and continuing on as a partaker of Christ. Salvation is based on what Christ did and not what we do. But also, using grace as a license to sin is of an evil, unrepentant heart, in which there is no evidence of the new birth. God is not deceived. If a professing Christian willingly continues living a sinful lifestyle because they believe they’re saved no matter what, then that’s clearly not faith in God and they have not been born again. Because when Christ died, he not only died for us, but we also died with him. That’s God’s reckoning and we’re called to live in God’s spoken reality through faith and reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive in Christ. Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God, but only those born of the Spirit. No born again Christian is going to want to continue sinning. They may have faults and fail trials of temptation, but by faith in God, they get back up from their fall.
It’s never too late until it is and we don’t know when our end will be. We are called to hold the beginning of our confidence in Christ steadfast to the end. So instead of trusting what we do, let us trust in him who is faithful and true to his promise. Remembering who we are in Christ. Dead to sin and alive to God through Christ.
It’s never too late until it is and we don’t know when our end will be. We are called to hold the beginning of our confidence in Christ steadfast to the end. So instead of trusting what we do, let us trust in him who is faithful and true to his promise. Remembering who we are in Christ. Dead to sin and alive to God through Christ.
So, Precious friend, @Dev06, are you saying: God's Own All-Sufficient BLOOD
Shed For all mankind, is still insufficient for True Grace believers if
"they depart" (what we do???)?
What then, do we do with all of The Following Multitude Of Grace Scriptures Which
Contradict such a proposal?:
God's OPERATION On All New-born babes In Christ!
+ Updates: (of # 11) + (of #14)
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God's Eternal Life Assurance
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God's Eternal Life Insurance
Precious friend, @Dev06, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged And Edified
In Christ, and In His Precious Word Of Truth!:
Amen.
Who among the truly saved goes out and lives in whatever way your asking about?
Who has successfully resisted the sanctifying power of God in their lives to go out and live loosely...if that's what you're asking?
I'm assuming that your asking this is a matter of you having witnessed such.
Assuming you have seen someone who was truly saved go out and live in the depths of sinful pleasures, and given that we ALL continue to sin, do you suppose there's some threshold they can step over into losing salvation?
I'm asking because I know of no such an example whereby anyone could prove loss of salvation in another or even themselves. That should illegitamize the question itself. Do you agree?
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To them it's the same thing. You see, if they can't enslave one another under works of effort of any sort, they see it is loose living. They hear things in their ears that weren't said, and we know who that whisperer is...
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