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They are prostitutes, Ghislaine Maxwell was their madame infamously, that's why she is in prison.
What, the US imprisons people who are Madames in parts of the Earth that are not under US law? That is idiotic. There is no such charge that you can bring in a US court to put someone in prison in the US for being a Madame in a territory not under US law.

It's not much of a defense I agree personally, but it is what it is at the same time. What difference is there in Epstein Island and the SNL After Party and Diddy and R Kelly?
I feel like I am in an SNL skit that someone would ask this question. The difference is that Epstein Island is not under US jurisdiction, that is the difference and that is why they set up the island and why people flew to the island.

All the same stuff,not even just in strict principle of the sexual sins and the Law, but even same basic claim, young underage sluts going and partying with these generations of celebrities, like yea, it's bad, but I think they volunteered for it frankly..
I don't care what you think. If all of this is correct then let it come out in the courtroom and they will be exonerated. If they are innocent of child trafficking, and slavery, and kidnapping, and blackmail then by all means give these people a chance to clear their name in court.
 

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I think it is too early to judge. I am more than happy to believe they are still gathering data, flipping witnesses, and building a case that will be rock solid. However, until they actually prosecute and convict people on this list I will simply look to the Lord to judge. I'm not going to claim this is some 4d chess, that is for historians to do a decade from now. At present I am simply praying for the Lord's will to be done and for the Kingdom to come.
It is early, but he has succinctly stated it's a hoax. It's one thing if they are still investigating and building a case behind closed doors, but it's another the call it out as a hoax.

 

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It is early, but he has succinctly stated it's a hoax. It's one thing if they are still investigating and building a case behind closed doors, but it's another the call it out as a hoax.

What is a hoax, that Trump is going to prosecute the people who went to Epstein island or that he is not going to prosecute them?

You know what was a hoax? Eisenhower pretending Patton was going to lead the D day invasion. He lied to the Germans! That is not fair!
 

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What, the US imprisons people who are Madames in parts of the Earth that are not under US law? That is idiotic. There is no such charge that you can bring in a US court to put someone in prison in the US for being a Madame in a territory not under US law.

I feel like I am in an SNL skit that someone would ask this question. The difference is that Epstein Island is not under US jurisdiction, that is the difference and that is why they set up the island and why people flew to the island.



I don't care what you think. If all of this is correct then let it come out in the courtroom and they will be exonerated. If they are innocent of child trafficking, and slavery, and kidnapping, and blackmail then by all means give these people a chance to clear their name in court.
I do agree with you this is well put but dang this triggers in me an intense desire to watch A Few Good Men again lol.


Well put though as always you are indeed very smart and I enjoy your company and wisdom. But I still maintain the basic point aside from just a bloodbath what more can really be given even in the most optimistic of circumstances? Yea I get you on accountabiltiy and their names known, but dude, their names are already known, we already know this it's a google search away.. This case is old the names are known the clients all that is known already, Epstein is dead and the madame is in prison, many strings pulled extrajudicial wise to bring a sense of justice at that to boot because indeed they played suspiciously intelligent on this one with jurisdiction games and foreign nationals, but what more can be given besides just whacking them? I know it sounds kinda ridiculous, but that is the scandal I mean, what more can be done? I don't think we should give into the impulses to cannibalize our society, I get how its advantageous for the democrats in a political sense, maybe jostle Bondi or Kash Patel and Dan Bongino around a bit, but I mean besides that really what can anyone do that would actually add significantly more to this case to resolve it?
 

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I do agree with you this is well put but dang this triggers in me an intense desire to watch A Few Good Men again lol.


Well put though as always you are indeed very smart and I enjoy your company and wisdom. But I still maintain the basic point aside from just a bloodbath what more can really be given even in the most optimistic of circumstances? Yea I get you on accountabiltiy and their names known, but dude, their names are already known, we already know this it's a google search away.. This case is old the names are known the clients all that is known already, Epstein is dead and the madame is in prison, many strings pulled extrajudicial wise to bring a sense of justice at that to boot because indeed they played suspiciously intelligent on this one with jurisdiction games and foreign nationals, but what more can be given besides just whacking them? I know it sounds kinda ridiculous, but that is the scandal I mean, what more can be done? I don't think we should give into the impulses to cannibalize our society, I get how its advantageous for the democrats in a political sense, maybe jostle Bondi or Kash Patel and Dan Bongino around a bit, but I mean besides that really what can anyone do that would actually add significantly more to this case to resolve it?
What good? The only way to root this evil out of the world, that is the good. Arresting 200 pedophiles who watch videos in the internet is like arresting people for having an ounce of pot while letting the people bringing in Cocaine by the Kilo off.

460,000 children are reported missing every year in the US. Of these about 1,000 disappear never to be seen again. Unfortunately the vast majority of children who are trafficked are from countries that don't keep very good records. The best estimate was that in 2012 1.2 million children were trafficked annually while the estimate for 2024 is 3 million. Another estimate is that in 2022 at any given moment 3.3 million children are exploited in sex and labour trafficking.
 

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What good? The only way to root this evil out of the world, that is the good. Arresting 200 pedophiles who watch videos in the internet is like arresting people for having an ounce of pot while letting the people bringing in Cocaine by the Kilo off.

460,000 children are reported missing every year in the US. Of these about 1,000 disappear never to be seen again. Unfortunately the vast majority of children who are trafficked are from countries that don't keep very good records. The best estimate was that in 2012 1.2 million children were trafficked annually while the estimate for 2024 is 3 million. Another estimate is that in 2022 at any given moment 3.3 million children are exploited in sex and labour trafficking.
I didn't ask what's good, let me rephrase; what more could be done to bring resolution to this that is good in your eyes, like that would bring resolution in even your most optimistic sense say it be granted to you hypothetically? It's a fluff scandal where you're all just being led on I think. All these sides want and are expecting different things, but besides bloodbathing eachother what else can you really get seriously that would satisfy truth and justice to the case itself? You got the names already for years, huge list, and even the precedent that apparently some high friends might look the other way like with Epstein, so happy hunting I guess. But this will be socially and politically toxic frankly, it touches into the deeper sins of the society and there's not really many good guys in this story truth be told. It sounds noble to rid the world of evil indeed, but the catch is the world itself is the enemy of God, the world didn't start out evil but it was corrupted and lies under the power of the weakest but most evil creature. I stand by that I think Trump is prudent still though he will suffer politically for this, because he understands to try to maintain order and keep the country together.
 

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Well I guess we'll mix some wins and losses. Trump hosts the Crown Prince of Bahrain at the White House and also takes some press conference questions and so we also get some updates to the Epstein gutter.

 

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@SonJudgment it seems to me in the small bit of time I've paid attention to this, that the part of MAGA that wants the Epstein files simply wants the transparency it voted for and any justice that should be dealt with. In a sense, I don't blame them and agree with them. On the other hand, I've always and still do consider the job of POTUS to be a tightwire that few of us can comprehend in regard to the decisions that need to be made to protect the nation as best as can be accomplished.
 

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I think this take by ABL is pretty spot on for the on-going Epstein plotline as well as clip of Trump's own take recently from the above interview and presser as well as a recent official posting from Trump on his TruthSocial.
 

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I didn't ask what's good, let me rephrase; what more could be done to bring resolution to this that is good in your eyes, like that would bring resolution in even your most optimistic sense say it be granted to you hypothetically?
Well let’s see, what happens when we go from a world in which the rich and powerful are not held accountable for rape, sexual abuse and slavery of children to one in which they are held accountable. A world where he who has the gold makes the rules to a world in which all men are treated equally when they rape, sexually abuse and enslave children.
 

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Well let’s see, what happens when we go from a world in which the rich and powerful are not held accountable for rape, sexual abuse and slavery of children to one in which they are held accountable. A world where he who has the gold makes the rules to a world in which all men are treated equally when they rape, sexually abuse and enslave children.
They'll still be held accountable both in an ultimate divine sense and even I think right here on this Earth. Your points are still good, praise Jesus for you and your wisdom, I can indeed see how you are a good teacher, even in disagreements I always learn much from you, so God bless you for that. One again does notice even though Amnon was shown mercy and it was not wrong for David to do such, that ultimately he did get killed by just another whoremonger in Absalom who then got killed be a wrathful man in Joab who then got killed finally to end the blood cycle by the judgment of a wise son.
 

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They'll still be held accountable both in an ultimate divine sense and even I think right here on this Earth. Your points are still good, praise Jesus for you and your wisdom, I can indeed see how you are a good teacher, even in disagreements I always learn much from you, so God bless you for that. One again does notice even though Amnon was shown mercy and it was not wrong for David to do such, that ultimately he did get killed by just another whoremonger in Absalom who then got killed be a wrathful man in Joab who then got killed finally to end the blood cycle by the judgment of a wise son.
them that are without God judgeth

1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

This is an example of God's mercy, you have to see the whole story, but God allows someone who is guilty of such sins to see that they will be excluded from the kingdom of the heavens, giving them a chance to repent. It is a major failing in the apostasy, they claim that you are to love the sinner and be merciful, but they don't follow this pattern. God loves them because He does not want them to spend eternity in hell. What the apostasy calls "love" is simply enabling sinners to sin and ensuring that they do spend eternity in hell. There is a verse that says we should not fear him that kill the body but once you are dead there is nothing more he can do, but rather fear him who after you die can cast you into hell. Well the corollary is don't listen to him who can forgive sins in this life but when you appear before the throne there is nothing he can do, rather fear him who after you die can cast you into hell for sins.

6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

This doctrine that they are "loving the sinner" and "showing mercy" is leaven.

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Jesus Christ is the reality of the Passover feast, the church age is the reality of the feast of unleavened bread. During this feast we are to purge out all the leaven, all these erroneous doctrines from our house (church).

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

So it is reasonable that one would assume this word applies to someone in the church but not to Epstein or Maxwell. It doesn't apply to the CIA. However, there is a principle here concerning God's love, God's justice and God's mercy that does apply universally.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

Everyone wonders why God allows sin, but look at this verse. Paul is saying why are you asking me to judge those who are without (Caesar, etc) for the sins that you are allowing within. Peter said that judgment must begin at the house of God. Today we see in the apostate church that they do allow fornicators, covetous, idolators, railers, drunkards and even extortioners to call themselves a brother. The day of the Lord is when Jesus will judge those who are without but it will begin with those who are within the church. They will be judged for all these sins, but first those in the church will be judged.

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Here is the point, yes God will judge and yes the Lord will judge during the Day of the Lord. That is precisely why we are to put them out of the fellowship. If they are in the church then you too will be judged at the same time.

So yes, I understand that the US government and the US department of justice is not the church. However, I am making it very clear that the sins of Epstein and Maxwell and everyone else involved have absolutely nothing to do with me or the church. As a US citizen I am voting 100% that justice be done, that it be transparent, that everyone who has sinned be held accountable. If the world refuses that is on them, but not on me.

Donald Trump could not have been elected had he not gotten the vote of conservative Christians. I am making it very clear that this is a very clear line, if he or other politicians want to continue to get my vote and other conservative Christians they need to faithfully carry out their duties to deal with this sin.
 

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them that are without God judgeth

1 Corinthians 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

This is an example of God's mercy, you have to see the whole story, but God allows someone who is guilty of such sins to see that they will be excluded from the kingdom of the heavens, giving them a chance to repent. It is a major failing in the apostasy, they claim that you are to love the sinner and be merciful, but they don't follow this pattern. God loves them because He does not want them to spend eternity in hell. What the apostasy calls "love" is simply enabling sinners to sin and ensuring that they do spend eternity in hell. There is a verse that says we should not fear him that kill the body but once you are dead there is nothing more he can do, but rather fear him who after you die can cast you into hell. Well the corollary is don't listen to him who can forgive sins in this life but when you appear before the throne there is nothing he can do, rather fear him who after you die can cast you into hell for sins.

6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

This doctrine that they are "loving the sinner" and "showing mercy" is leaven.

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Jesus Christ is the reality of the Passover feast, the church age is the reality of the feast of unleavened bread. During this feast we are to purge out all the leaven, all these erroneous doctrines from our house (church).

9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

So it is reasonable that one would assume this word applies to someone in the church but not to Epstein or Maxwell. It doesn't apply to the CIA. However, there is a principle here concerning God's love, God's justice and God's mercy that does apply universally.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

Everyone wonders why God allows sin, but look at this verse. Paul is saying why are you asking me to judge those who are without (Caesar, etc) for the sins that you are allowing within. Peter said that judgment must begin at the house of God. Today we see in the apostate church that they do allow fornicators, covetous, idolators, railers, drunkards and even extortioners to call themselves a brother. The day of the Lord is when Jesus will judge those who are without but it will begin with those who are within the church. They will be judged for all these sins, but first those in the church will be judged.

13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Here is the point, yes God will judge and yes the Lord will judge during the Day of the Lord. That is precisely why we are to put them out of the fellowship. If they are in the church then you too will be judged at the same time.

So yes, I understand that the US government and the US department of justice is not the church. However, I am making it very clear that the sins of Epstein and Maxwell and everyone else involved have absolutely nothing to do with me or the church. As a US citizen I am voting 100% that justice be done, that it be transparent, that everyone who has sinned be held accountable. If the world refuses that is on them, but not on me.

Donald Trump could not have been elected had he not gotten the vote of conservative Christians. I am making it very clear that this is a very clear line, if he or other politicians want to continue to get my vote and other conservative Christians they need to faithfully carry out their duties to deal with this sin.
We ideally want them to repent, but that is never a guarantee, and we're not so naive to expect them to repent and be spared the ultimate judgment. There' many involved here to varying degrees of sin and guilt, in such cases normally it will be some will repent, some will not. I have not said either just let them get away with it or let there be no accountability or anything like that, but the main honchos are dead or in prison, for then the lesser ones or the ones beyond our official justice reach, let them be on that shortleash as their degrees of guilt are weighed, short of just killing them all in an epic quest worthy of Assassin's Creed, there's not too much else for this case that could be delivered Take Prince Andrew for an example, very well known to have both been at Epstein Island and also participated in it. He got the Amnon treatment, and I think that is the appropriate way forward, it is sufficient to strip him of his ranks and powers and relegate him to internal exile. Am I going to really try to make Charles kill his own brother? If they value the mercy they will live, and if they don't then they'll make themselves stick out and just like their master the Devil plod themselves into self-defeat, how they'll run like NPCs down the familiar script and just inevitably get wrecked by their own errors. And that's just the earthly judgments of course.

The principle here is not in trying to make some like defense for the evil nor even being naive and forever hoping a people that barely values commitment or faith, much less can distinguish between their right and left hands, to repent of their sins. The point is not going down a path of consuming all of our society to jeopardize it and the future for the innocent and those that did genuinely repent, we shouldn't tear our own house down just over a few satanic maggots or mire our great hand in the present by endlessly trying to litigate the past and the mistakes made in it instead of forging ahead and seizing the future. We already have seen great blessings and we changed the trajectory from a Future of No Hope to a nascent hope, but the future is always still uncertain. We gotta make the most of the blessings, as Eli says, play with the cards we're dealt, not the ones we wish we had, and praise Jesus.
 

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We ideally want them to repent, but that is never a guarantee, and we're not so naive to expect them to repent and be spared the ultimate judgment. There' many involved here to varying degrees of sin and guilt, in such cases normally it will be some will repent, some will not. I have not said either just let them get away with it or let there be no accountability or anything like that, but the main honchos are dead or in prison, for then the lesser ones or the ones beyond our official justice reach, let them be on that shortleash as their degrees of guilt are weighed, short of just killing them all in an epic quest worthy of Assassin's Creed, there's not too much else for this case that could be delivered Take Prince Andrew for an example, very well known to have both been at Epstein Island and also participated in it. He got the Amnon treatment, and I think that is the appropriate way forward, it is sufficient to strip him of his ranks and powers and relegate him to internal exile. Am I going to really try to make Charles kill his own brother? If they value the mercy they will live, and if they don't then they'll make themselves stick out and just like their master the Devil plod themselves into self-defeat, how they'll run like NPCs down the familiar script and just inevitably get wrecked by their own errors. And that's just the earthly judgments of course.
How do you know the main honchos are dead or in prison? That makes no sense. The amount of children being trafficked has doubled since Epstein was arrested. The theory is that this was a honey pot by intelligence agencies, none of which have been shut down or had their budgets cut. This is why we need to arrest all of them, prosecute all of them and convict them, only then can we hope they will cooperate with the authorities to bring in the real head honchos.

The principle here is not in trying to make some like defense for the evil nor even being naive and forever hoping a people that barely values commitment or faith, much less can distinguish between their right and left hands, to repent of their sins. The point is not going down a path of consuming all of our society to jeopardize it and the future for the innocent and those that did genuinely repent, we shouldn't tear our own house down just over a few satanic maggots or mire our great hand in the present by endlessly trying to litigate the past and the mistakes made in it instead of forging ahead and seizing the future. We already have seen great blessings and we changed the trajectory from a Future of No Hope to a nascent hope, but the future is always still uncertain. We gotta make the most of the blessings, as Eli says, play with the cards we're dealt, not the ones we wish we had, and praise Jesus.
the principle for me is the same as the principle for the church in Corinth to prove they did not approve of the behavior and had nothing to do with it. I do that by demanding full accountability, prosecution, and transparency. I know that is not the case in the world, but God will judge them.
 

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How do you know the main honchos are dead or in prison? That makes no sense. The amount of children being trafficked has doubled since Epstein was arrested. The theory is that this was a honey pot by intelligence agencies, none of which have been shut down or had their budgets cut. This is why we need to arrest all of them, prosecute all of them and convict them, only then can we hope they will cooperate with the authorities to bring in the real head honchos.



the principle for me is the same as the principle for the church in Corinth to prove they did not approve of the behavior and had nothing to do with it. I know that is not the case in the world, but God will judge them.
The main honcho is Epstein. Secondary to him the madame. You gotta be able to distinguish the case from the overall just crazy dynamic of the Earth and sexual sins which we already discoursed about anyways,, otherwise it's like what, are you expecting me to be God himself and solve all the world's problems, lol ya'll older than me, why your generations be full of sluts and even start these problems to begin with?

Lol oh we have nothing to prove to the earthly, we've never committed their fornications. Lol that's where if we want the divine massacre of all the whores, and that judgment promised in the scriptures, like okay, sure, go ahead, I'll survive it I don't care if the CIA or the army of the holy angels kills them all, make their blood flow up to a horse's bridle, it's no sweat off my back. I think though I can be patient. God I believe has given us all blessings, he's given us the conditions and tools to make a genuine golden age, a respite of repentance from the sinstorm of the generations. America is still in a very fraught position though the ship has been turned around, let's not forget 1 year ago the land and people lay in ruin and hopelessness and many of the Epstein island participants were in the last administration, even the former Director of the CIA practically lived on that Island.

Trump has consolidated power by now, but obviously look even at the chaos now politically this old scandal is being exploited and used for to sow. Yea even that Jimmy Fallon was a great example to start this plotline, I mean that's the perfect example of it, here's a leftie sowing chaos by playing on and hijacking the good and right ideals of getting justice like you want, but he's using it to agitate when he himself is named and photographed partying with 15 year old sluts, like you see where this is going into a just self-defeating cycle. For the actual case not really nothing can be done you're being led on down a dead end, very dead considering how dead Epstein is. Yet if we shift from specifically the case to the general sin and dynamic of it which is your concern, look the offenders spiritually of that clade of sins nad judgments, they're using the chaos to basically be jackals and hyenas and weaponize it against you and the informant that collaborated to bring Epstein down whom is President Trump. Trump was right the other day, some of ya'll gotta move on. I think personally some of it smacks of the woke mind virus. This how the leftwing went woke, ya'll trying to #metoo and litigate the past cry about social justice for things none of us can change in the past and its a total mindtrap, a gutter in fact, and it's not really going to satisfy actual truth and actual justice, it's just going to be a gutter of hate. That's not saying we can't attain better things and rightly in God's eyes too, but we have to play with the cards we're dealt in the present, which are actually some pretty good ones thanks to God, and move forward into the future praising Jesus and that's how we shall get there.
 

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Is the Trump administration burning food? What to know in USAID halt https://share.google/sDoBDQffbLrFhvs4W

This food would have fed about a million and a half people for a month. Please tell me more about how Trump represents Christian values
Who are you talking to? Who says that Trump represents Christian values?
 

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Is the Trump administration burning food? What to know in USAID halt https://share.google/sDoBDQffbLrFhvs4W

This food would have fed about a million and a half people for a month. Please tell me more about how Trump represents Christian values
It is not incumbent on Christians to subsidize the pagans for the principle of it. Though pragmatically you don't have to even go that far into it, it is much more mundane reasoning than all that as your own article tells you why, the relevant excerpt from it:

The State Department did not comment specifically on the expiring biscuits in Dubai when asked by USA TODAY, but told Reuters they were purchased under the Biden administration "as a contingency beyond projections," resulting in their expiration. A spokesperson said that the policy is not to distribute food that is nearing its shelf life, and that standard protocol is to destroy it.