The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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Kroogz

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Are you looking up the origins of these definitions it's all English.

When will you use the true Hebrew definition or does that destroy your viewpoint?
See the point? I gave you 2 links for an in depth look into my viewpoint.

You won't give me SQUAT. Because your viewpoint can't withstand scrutiny.

Give me a link to go in depth with your viewpoint.
 

lrs68

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Not so
again even in the Bible it is translated as Gods when it comes to pagan Gods
so that destroyed your viewpoint.
Not when it refers to YHVH and the definition I gave explained that. You probably just ignore facts because they are not the same as English explanations.
 
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The WORD was Spirit because God is Spirit before He became flesh. He is God and wasn't the Son at Creation. And the Spirit is the Spirit of God.
amen before the world was Jesus was already the creator but his glory was of the father himself the creator

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s the lord still speaking from heaven before he was born but he hasn’t come to be born a man and had his name called jesus yet .

The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.

And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.

So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun…. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD. As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-17, 19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

just hadn’t been born on earth as Jesus the son yet , but then he came and was born as the son of man but no one realized it

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not….. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:10, 12-14‬ ‭

It doesn’t make him different people but it’s god filling different roles needed to save us and create chileeen for himself through the only son and his spirit given to them but it’s still the lord even when he took on our role
 

Kroogz

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amen before the world was Jesus was already the creator but his glory was of the father himself the creator

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s the lord still speaking from heaven before he was born but he hasn’t come to be born a man and had his name called jesus yet .

The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.

And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.

So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun…. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD. As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-17, 19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

just hadn’t been born on earth as Jesus the son yet , but then he came and was born as the son of man but no one realized it

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not….. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:10, 12-14‬ ‭

It doesn’t make him different people but it’s god filling different roles needed to save us and create chileeen for himself through the only son and his spirit given to them but it’s still the lord even when he took on our role
So the Jews are saved? They believe in the one God of Israel.
 
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I gave you tons of scripture that showed what we had to do.

No baptism required. No works required.

hey you want to make the mistake of the jew and add works to the gospel. feel free.

Thats on you
You really think you can be reborn without getting rid of your sins?

You can think anything you like, I will follow HIS WORD since he will be the one doing the judging WITH HIS WORD.
 
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My sins were taken care of on the cross.

God baptized me into his death and burial (romans 6)

you want water to wash your sins. good look

Hebrews said it clear. without the shedding of blood. there IS NO FORGIVENESS
HOW COULD THAT POSILIBE BE IF JESUS DIDN'T PUT HIS BLOOD ON THE MERCY SEAT UNTIL 3 DAYS LATER?
 
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Repent (2nd person plural) and let every one of you be baptised (3rd person singular)

how about interpreting the word as it was written and not through some english translation
GODS WORD IS WRONG.... One has to be humble to see.

Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed?
 

lrs68

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See the point? I gave you 2 links for an in depth look into my viewpoint.

You won't give me SQUAT. Because your viewpoint can't withstand scrutiny.

Give me a link to go in depth with your viewpoint.
Your links still claimed that Elohim means SINGULAR when referring to the God of the Bible. What more proof do you want when your own definition explains what I am saying?
 

BillG

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You really think you can be reborn without getting rid of your sins?

You can think anything you like, I will follow HIS WORD since he will be the one doing the judging WITH HIS WORD.
good

Then stop telling people they are not saved/going to hell because they don't agree with your theology.

Leave it up to God to decide.
 
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good

Then stop telling people they are not saved/going to hell because they don't agree with your theology.

Leave it up to God to decide.
It for sure is up to JESUS, he will be the one saying good job or sending people to hell.

But it's my job to share his word, and according to it sin WILL NOT enter heaven and there is ONLY ONE way to get rid of it. Like it or not scripture is scripture.

If I don't, what good am I and would lose my salvation. Romans 10:9.
 

Kroogz

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Your links still claimed that Elohim means SINGULAR when referring to the God of the Bible. What more proof do you want when your own definition explains what I am saying?
So you claim.

Show me. It's all there to copy and paste.

Better yet, show me your super secret Hebrew.
 

lrs68

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So you claim.

Show me. It's all there to copy and paste.

Better yet, show me your super secret Hebrew.
In the context of Genesis 1:26, the Hebrew word "Elohim" is generally understood to refer to the one true God, even though it is grammatically plural. The verse, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness," is interpreted as God speaking in a plural of majesty, or a plural of counsel, rather than suggesting there are multiple gods.

Here's a more detailed explanation:
  • Elohim is a plural form:
    The word "Elohim" (אֱלֹהִים) is the plural form of the Hebrew word "Eloah" (אֱלוֹהַּ), which means "god".

  • Singular usage:
    Despite being plural, "Elohim" is frequently used with singular verbs and adjectives when referring to the one true God in the Old Testament.

  • Plural of majesty:
    The use of "let us" in Genesis 1:26 is often interpreted as a royal we, similar to how kings might speak of themselves in the plural, or as a plural of deliberation, where God is consulting with himself about the creation of man.

  • Traditional Jewish understanding:
    Many traditional Jewish understandings of Genesis 1:26 interpret the plural form as referring to God taking council with His angels before creating Adam.
 

BillG

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It for sure is up to JESUS, he will be the one saying good job or sending people to hell.

But it's my job to share his word, and according to it sin WILL NOT enter heaven and there is ONLY ONE way to get rid of it. Like it or not scripture is scripture.

If I don't, what good am I and would lose my salvation. Romans 10:9.
Same goes for all the others.
 
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I gave you tons of scripture that showed what we had to do.

No baptism required. No works required.

hey you want to make the mistake of the jew and add works to the gospel. feel free.

Thats on you
Amen.
Error results from failure to view WB as symbolic, which is related to failing to realize that WB was a pre-NT rite that was
superseded by the NT teaching that saving faith/love of Jesus is essential and eternal, NOT obeying OT law or works including circumcision,
whose purpose is to lead sinners to place their hope in the atonement of Christ for remission of sins.
 

Wansvic

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Instruction of oneness isnt scriptual. Do you know what the oneness movement is? The OP does. Thats why he didnt reply.
We are to study the word of God to ascertain whether something is true or not. Not reject something the bible clearly teaches because of some denominational bias. Every single person will be judged by the bible not one's denomination manual.