The Error is Baptism in Jesus name only for salvation

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Kroogz

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How can you be saved with out getting rid of your sins? HOW DO WE get rid of our sins. SCRIPTURE ONLY .
1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:19
that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

Acts 16:31
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
 
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Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is for remission of sin as expressed by the word of God. (Mark 1:1-5, Luke 3:3, Acts 2:38, 22:16...)

The Romans had already heard and obeyed the gospel message revealed at Pentecost. (Rom. 1:1-7)

You mention OT circumcision. What happened to those who refused to believe and obey that command? (Gen. 17:14, Ex 2:21-26)
I see that the failure to view WB as symbolic is related to failing to realize that WB was a pre-NT rite that was
superseded by the NT teaching that saving faith is essential and eternal, NOT obeying OT law including circumcision,
whose purpose is to lead sinners to place their hope in the atonement of Christ for remission of sins.
 

Kroogz

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It's impossible that God told Moses Elohim is singular and to you it's plural.

That means God lied to someone.

Who should I believe between you and Moses?
One more shot bud, I gave you Hebrew words and definitions from resources that I have. They say the opposite of what you are saying.

Can you please show us your resources to prove mine wrong?
 
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1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:19
that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

Acts 16:31
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
What do you think of this scripture?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 

lrs68

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One more shot bud, I gave you Hebrew words and definitions from resources that I have. They say the opposite of what you are saying.

Can you please show us your resources to prove mine wrong?
You gave me a Hebrew word with ENGLISH TRANSLATION.

You act like I don't know what you are doing.
 
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A person can be batised a thousand times and it doesn't mean anything unless they put their trust in Our father.

I'm penicoatal but not under oneness theology i have been baptised. Baptism is important it's just not necessary for salvation. I said baptism wasn't important but what I meant was in collation to salvation. just don't believe if someone cat follow obedience at death to be baptised that does not mean they aren't save.

"One man was saved upon the cross that none should despair, and only one, that none should presume" Spurgeon

“Only one man in the Bible was saved at the last moment, and that was the thief on the cross. Don’t risk your soul by waiting until your deathbed" billy graham​

God's mercy endures forever say an elderly person hated for something that happened in their childhood and becuase of Alzheimer's reverted back to a child mindset is now willing to accept Jesus Christ i believe these people God will have mercy on and will be saved even without a baptism.
I find it interesting that this one criminal acknowledged Jesus and his kingdom on the cross while he was dying and was promised life and the other rejected and mocked him also while he was dying and I’m assuming but I’m assuming he died not believing , without that promise the other received

but in a way it’s like a type or figure for our short lives and our mortality woth death always hanging aver us and coming nearer and nearer to us all are like we’re dying criminals who can be saved by Jesus in the cross if we turn to him before it’s too late
 
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No offense I pray, but Hebrew is the original language so it makes no sense why you would use the English meaning to a Hebrew word that God gave to Moses to teach people like myself.

The factual Hebrew definition is copy\pasted below.
THIS IS HOW GOD GAVE IT TO MOSES AND SHOULD BE VIEWED AS GOD GAVE IT!

What does Elohim mean in the Hebrew Language?
The Hebrew word for God is Elohim. It's used with a singular meaning in the Hebrew Bible, Elohim usually refers to the monotheistic Creator God, or to the God of Israel, Yahweh.
Elohim is the plural form of the word translated God

It is usually translated Gods for this reason.

thats why Genesis is said and God (plural) said let US (plural) make man in Our (plural) image
 
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I get it from God who told it to Moses.

How come only English speaking people have issue with the fact that in the Hebrew Language it's singular when directed to YHVH?

I showed you the proper definition and it has been that way since GOD defined it.

But if you know better than God believe how you want to. You clearly don't believe any of the factual definitions I provided already. So believe in error. Who am I to stop you from believing incorrectly?
You did not get it from God.

YHWH is singular

Elohim is plural
 

Kroogz

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What do you think of this scripture?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
I don't think that it nullifies this:

1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:19
that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

Acts 16:31
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
 

lrs68

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Sooooooo, show me what you got. Make me see.
You have 26 letters to your alphabet and then have a separate numerical value system.

The Hebrew has 22 letters and each letter also is a numerical value.

Your translation doesn't equal the word you are translating. This is how beautiful God is so no one can lie about His perfect system He personally gave to the Hebrew people.
 

lrs68

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Elohim is the plural form of the word translated God
You did not get it from God.

YHWH is singular

Elohim is plural
It is usually translated Gods for this reason.

thats why Genesis is said and God (plural) said let US (plural) make man in Our (plural) image

What does Elohim mean in the Hebrew Language?
The Hebrew word for God is Elohim. It's used with a singular meaning in the Hebrew Bible, Elohim usually refers to the monotheistic Creator God, or to the God of Israel, Yahweh.
 
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What do you think of this scripture?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
To me it says this

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and so if we believe that

“Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and so if I look more into it

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And so a result of that is ….as he continues

“Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?……… Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, ( jesus ) that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1, 4-6‬ ‭

And even more

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul’s writings are wonderful when we don’t twist them into another gospel he explains so much of the inner workings of doctrine like one example is baptism
 

Kroogz

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You have 26 letters to your alphabet and then have a separate numerical value system.

The Hebrew has 22 letters and each letter also is a numerical value.

Your translation doesn't equal the word you are translating. This is how beautiful God is so no one can lie about His perfect system He personally gave to the Hebrew people.
In other words:

"I can't"

The truth can never be backed in a corner........You are in a corner. And you know it.
 
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What does Elohim mean in the Hebrew Language?
The Hebrew word for God is Elohim. It's used with a singular meaning in the Hebrew Bible, Elohim usually refers to the monotheistic Creator God, or to the God of Israel, Yahweh.

I've posted this TWICE.
Elohim

Elohim is a Hebrew word meaning "gods" or "godhood". Although the word is plural in form, in the Hebrew Bible it most often takes singular verbal or ..


Elohim | Ancient, Monotheistic, Supreme Being

Apr 11, 2025 — Elohim, (Hebrew: God), the God of Israel in the Old Testament. A plural of majesty, the term Elohim—though sometimes used for other deities, ...

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nice try.

But think about this:
From Abraham, going back to Noah his great great great Grandfather, and then back to Enoch, and then back to Seth, and ultimately back to Adam and Eve have been speaking the SAME LANGUAGE going on now over 6,000+ years and thanks to YOU I now know we've been morons because YOU know my natural language better than ALL OF US HEBREW PEOPLE did.
who said Adam spoke Hebrew? Hebrew was abrahams language.. even the hebrew of today is not what it was in abrahams time
 

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Why would anyone be so arrogant as to change the Word of God by attaching a definitive (alone) to a scripture?

Just let the verses mean what is stated and without your add-ons.
Do not need to change the word of God

By Grace through faith Not of works = grace alone through faith alone (no works)

if it is grace it is no longer works. otherwise grace is no longer grace = Grace plus works = works.

I let it stand. Your the one denying what it says
 
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All this twisted sentence dissecting just to protect a theology without a verse to cite (faith alone)???
amazing, You could not refute what I posted. and you just made an off post comment..lol

Would you use this reasoning with Luke 5:4? Be honest.
Luke 5: 4 - When He had stopped speaking, He said to Simon, “Launch out into the deep and let down your nets for a catch.”

What does this have to do with trusting God for salvation?

When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into the deep water, and let down your nets for a catch.”
and?

show me works in these passages.

John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED USthrough the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN


Titus 1: 2
in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

I will wait patiently for you to show me one work required in these passages