If someone knowingly chooses to believe false doctrine,

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I am laughing so hard right now, thanks @Intersection for lightening the mood! 🤣

The Bible discussion forum can be so contentious, but you have brought much joy to it tonight! 😂👍
Who would ever think they would continue to bump up this thread for so long. :cautious: Can this thread now be called "The Never Ending Story"? What if this thread is really not a story? What if this thread is just a digital simulation in cyberspace. Will they ever know? Will they sleep well tonight? :sleep:
 
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Who would ever think they would continue to bump up this thread for so long. :cautious: Can this thread now be called "The Never Ending Story"? What if this thread is really not a story? What if this thread is just a digital simulation in cyberspace. Will they ever know? Will they sleep well tonight? :sleep:
Lol idk, the couple of pages I read were pretty entertaining, but 24?!? SERIOUSLY?!? You are a true sadist, sir.... and I mean that as a half-compliment 😎. How bout we call it performance art instead, eh? 😜

Now go to bed, ya whackanoodle! 😂😝
 
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Who would ever think they would continue to bump up this thread for so long. :cautious: Can this thread now be called "The Never Ending Story"? What if this thread is really not a story? What if this thread is just a digital simulation in cyberspace. Will they ever know? Will they sleep well tonight? :sleep:
Hey, before you get banned for trolling (I'm not gonna report you but someone else might)..... I hope you really will look into the true doctrines of Jesus Christ. They are life....not just for the world to come, but also the matrix we're currently stuck in. 😉

OK that's all.... thanks for the laughs! And I'll say a prayer for you, you gonna need it! 😎😜
 
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Those who are not of the elect do believe false doctrine of the devil.

You have repeated many times those words, "knowingly believes/choose to believe false doctrine." I have yet to meet anybody who says, "Well, I know this doctrine is false, but I am going to believe it anyway!" There are plenty who believe false doctrines, bur they do so believing those doctrines to be true.
 

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do you believe this person is a believer?
If someone willingly believes false doctrines are they a believer...

Well... the devil is a believer.
Satan believes in Jesus and spiritual things we do not understand.

Being a believer does not automatically make you saved.

The 10 virgins are a good parable to show this

All ten believed, all ten were waiting for the coming of the bridegroom.
Waiting and believing in Jesus.

Mat 25:1-13 1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: ....... and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

2Th 2:10-12
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 

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Hey, before you get banned for trolling (I'm not gonna report you but someone else might)..... I hope you really will look into the true doctrines of Jesus Christ. They are life....not just for the world to come, but also the matrix we're currently stuck in. 😉

OK that's all.... thanks for the laughs! And I'll say a prayer for you, you gonna need it! 😎😜
If in fact he is not a bot then yes we should pray for him but I did report him and I never report people you really have to mess up bad for me to report anyone
 

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If someone willingly believes false doctrines are they a believer...

Well... the devil is a believer.
Satan believes in Jesus and spiritual things we do not understand.

Being a believer does not automatically make you saved.

The 10 virgins are a good parable to show this

All ten believed, all ten were waiting for the coming of the bridegroom.
Waiting and believing in Jesus.

Mat 25:1-13 1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: ....... and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

2Th 2:10-12
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 

Blain

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To me it sounds impossible to knowingly live in faith to a falsehood.
Truth is defined as a personal perspective for people so even if they are in falsehood it is truth to them so they do not knowngly follow false doctrine they just follow what is truth to them
 
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Well... the devil is a believer.
Satan believes in Jesus...
People really ought to stop saying such things. Satan may acknowledge Jesus's existence and power, but he does not
trust in Him or accept His role as the Savior. Satan's actions are driven by rebellion and a desire to oppose God's plan.
 
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You have repeated many times those words, "knowingly believes/choose to believe false doctrine." I have yet to meet anybody who says, "Well, I know this doctrine is false, but I am going to believe it anyway!" There are plenty who believe false doctrines, bur they do so believing those doctrines to be true.
If we reject the truth when we hear it there’s nothing left but fallacy and fable

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6, 21, 23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


If we find a reason to reject his word of life in the gospel there’s nothing left to accept but false doctrine or lies about the world without a god ……

“and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Everyone needs to hear the truth and choose there just the one truth ordained of God , Jesus Christ and the gospel
 

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If we reject the truth when we hear it there’s nothing left but fallacy and fable

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6, 21, 23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


If we find a reason to reject his word of life in the gospel there’s nothing left to accept but false doctrine or lies about the world without a god ……

“and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭2:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Everyone needs to hear the truth and choose there just the one truth ordained of God , Jesus Christ and the gospel
Yes, I agree with that. My question concerned the word "knowingly." I don't see how somebody can really know that a doctrine is false, and yet continue to believe it.
 

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People really ought to stop saying such things. Satan may acknowledge Jesus's existence and power, but he does not
trust in Him or accept His role as the Savior. Satan's actions are driven by rebellion and a desire to oppose God's plan.
Satan is rebelling, true, but the question asked is
do you believe this person is a believer?
... If they knowingly believe false doctrines.

Being a believer does not make you saved. To rebel against the truth or knowingly believe false doctrine is what the devil is doing...

The devil knows that Jesus is Lord. He knows how the plan of salvation works, he knows that he has lost the battle but he continues to do evil. He understood the character of God and still choose to rebel. This is why his rebellion was so bad.
False doctrines are lies.