The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

Excuse me.........It is faith alone in CHRIST ALONE.

It doesn't go unnoticed that Christ is missing in your "obedient faith." If something is added to CHRIST ALONE it's a faith that is null and void.

There you go. You just did the very thing I said you do, you mentions something WE NEED TO DO.. not only did you say we need to do it, You said we need to continue to do it.
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Its still you.

Its not God keeping you. Its you keeping yourself. what different is it than saying I must do this and that (insert anything you must do)

the fact remains, you are maintaining your salvation by doing this..

its not God keeping you, its you keeping yourself..


He has reconciled me. yes, By the body through his death..

I did not reconcile myself. not will I ever be able to reconcile myself.

Romans 5:10
For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

I was reconciled as his enemy.. And because of this reconciliation. I shall be saved.

Not everyone who says they have faith really do.

Now you need to resolve Col1 with romans 5

No, I take the position WE WILL CONTINUE IN FAITH.

we only lose faith if we never had it to begin with. My faith is in God. God is perfect. while I may not trust him perfectly in everything. Even he said faith of a mustard seed moves mountains.

once again, You do not lose faith in someone who NEVER FAILS YOU.

And Again. 1 John 2 said they were never of us.. these people who do not have faith and are against christ.. You must resolve that passage also



so are we under law or under grace. where does how we live fall into the equation?

lol, Sorry

People who move away were never of us, if they were of us, they never would have left.

You have paul and John apposed to each other

No. I do not think this. those who think faith could ever be lost would be those who think this. Please do not try to show something you believe on me..

NAME THEM

You keep making all these accusations. then you NEVER NAME them

I bet if we look deep into it. they have a fatalistic view.. but prove me wrong.. Just stop saying you have seen them, NAME THEM, show them to me..
No.

If you would say you are saved, then I was say congratulation. Your future is secure in Christ. Now continue to trust him. and do not listen to satan when satan wants to make you doubt your salvation.

And I never asked you to. But if people say they must do something to keep or maintain their salvation so they do nto lose it. .. then do not tell me they are not trying to save themselves.. Because I will not accept that as fact.

If you want to eat and drink to grow. lets eat and drink

You want to eat the food that endures forever. which one can eat and not die.

then yes, it is illogical. Because you are having me continue to eat and drink. because like the manna, the food dies.. hence I am required to keep eating and drinking.

in context of John 6. that is illogical.

Oh I am sure you will do anything you can to make Jesus say something he never said and make Jesus contradict himself

When jesus said do not work for food which perishes, but for food which endures forever. Not like manna their fathers ate, where they had to continue to eat or die. and says whoever eats the food he gives us will never die..

then yeah.. you want to eat food that dies. feel free.

I ate the food which endures forever.

I am not calvin, Get calvin off your brain.

well I am not calvin, so nothing you said here has any bearing on anythign I said.

now refute the verses I used.. and show me were I erred

they can not get SELF out of the equation.

1 John 3: 6b whoever sins has neither seen him nor known him.

whoever - Pas Ho - ALL, EVERY,

IE, EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN SIN HAS NEVER SEEN OR KNOWN HIM

Prove your absolute statement first. When you do, we can play by the same rules.

This sounds like it's up to me to continue to trust in Him. Why must I do that? It doesn't really matter, does it?

One bite that lasts forever. I think that was @Kroogz "one and done" message of faith. Thanks for the one sip of milk, Jesus. No more, thank you and I'm really not interested in that flesh and blood of yours. See you in Heaven.

Thanks. I'm sure he appreciates libelous statements from any of us.

You do realize you're changing what Jesus said in John6, correct? They did continue to eat manna and did die. The true bread from Heaven is the issue. And this is besides Jesus' command to work for the lasting [spiritual] food/information.

The continuation of eating and drinking I'd say is of necessity especially in light of John6:56. And this is just contextual without discussing the present tense participles and verb or discussing the other verbs in the context.

BTW, your saying you ate to be saved would horrify the grace guys I knew. Ask @Kroogz if he's ever heard the repetitive teaching, 'if you add anything to faith, then you're not saved.' I saw that extend and continue into articles I was assisting in the publishing of that did a lot of work in Scripture to attempt to prove that faith is absolutely, unequivocally passive, because if there is any human activity or volition involved, then not saved.

What I posted was to reinforce what you said, but I guess you are so unused to that happening on CC
that you expected disagreement and found it? :^)

Not according to Jesus: NKJ John 5:24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.


Faith Alone in Christ Alone!! Faith is Never Alone!! Battling camp mantras. Such fun arguments.

Then there's the actual Word of God. Thank God.

John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”

John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

Acts 9:5
And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

So, faith in God the Father alone is just as correct.

Like I said. Your faith has very little to do with the Lord Jesus Christ. And a WHOLE lot of what YOU do.

Go back and read your posts. That's why it would be nice to get this exclusive list of do's and don'ts from you guys. You owe it to us baffoons and troglodytes.

Just remember....

Salvation is equal privilege and equal opportunity.

Spiritual growth is equal privilege and equal opportunity. My lack of your superior intellect in no way hinders my ability to grow spiritually......Many times, superior intellect falls behind in spiritual growth.

That's a very poor assessment and I grew long ago to value Paul's attitude: 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one's praise will come from God. (1 Cor. 4:3-5 NKJ)

This reveals some of your issue. It's quite prevalent in Christendom. Has anyone called you any such names or referred to you as having inferior intellect? That's insecurity and competitiveness speaking. I used to hear it a lot from the prosperity preachers speaking against the theologians. Then the prosperity guys went out and started getting doctorates so they could pit dr. against dr. It's all just human garbage. Paul called it dung.

You may have heard a teaching about the janitor no one paid attention to whom will end up being more highly rewarded than all those who looked down on him. Your competitiveness or whatever it is, is out of place. I simply disagree now with the way your camp interprets Scripture. And you have no warrant to make judgments of how I view our Lord.

Excuse me.............the Bible states clearly it is not by faith alone.

Here is my verse: "You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone." James 2:24

Now where is your verse?

BTW, no one is debating "Christ alone".

If you follow his reasoning, yes.

I will take that as if you do not really know anyone. just falsly accusing as usual

I have no idea what statement you refer



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is it the food which eenures forever.

or is it like manna where we continue over and over to eat. yet still die?

Will you see me in heaven?




I did not change anything.

He compared the food such as manna, and the food they received yesterday when he fed them, to the food they really need to look for.

the food which endures forever.

It is the spirit who gives life. the words he spoke are spirit and they are life.

he who sees and believe will never perish..

you do not believe this.. so you are changing Jesus words.


We are talking about the gospel. what gives us life. what gives us eternal life.

I do not need to keep eating the gospel of christ.. I either believe it or I do not.



again, who are these people.. You seem to keep referencing them, but as far as I see they are imaginary people

Who said anything about ceasing from sinning?

They are saying we can continue to live in sin. John says we can not.

The hyperlinks will take you back to the statement.

You're not following the language of John6 nor looking into the range of verb tenses. I don't think you understand the necessity of abiding.

I can think of several believers who continued in sin until they died. For instance, The guy who was having an affair with his stepmother, Paul told them to excommunicate this guy, or as he put, turn him over to Satan. John talks about those who commit the sin unto death. Paul also thought of himself as the chief of sinners, and Rom 7 Paul says he doesn't want to sin, but he still keeps sinning.