Understanding God’s election

Yes, but not necessarily a permanent choice. Like Saul/Paul, a person may become aware of Jesus long before they actually come to believe on Him.

PaulThomson said:
Would you agree with those who say that a person who does not choose Jesus when they becomes aware of Jesus, is choosing to reject Jesus? If not, why not?



Then why do you not also agree that God not choosing to save someone, when He is aware they are destined for hell, is Him choosing not to save them and to destine them to hell?

Doesn't change anything. Grace is supernatural regardless of the means.

Your conclusion is based on your presupposing irresistible grace, which is not a verified premise. Many of us do not believe in your irresistible grace. If grace is not irresistible, then your division of grace into common and salvific faith-bearing grace is artificial and arbitrary.

Where is your scriptural proof that the grace that a man accessed to believe unto salvation was only made available to him by God at the time he believed and was withheld from Him and never available to the man before then?

Well unless you have changed and have come into agreement with God's word, you have maintained the initial act of faith is also supernatural.

If the original grace is supernatural, the result of the grace is also supernatural.

Faith/belief comes first although the experience may seem simultaneous.
So you are still in the same place.
Oh well.

According to Acts 2:37 your statement is false. They heard, were pricked, then responded.

Faith/belief comes first although the experience may seem simultaneous.
So you are still in the same place.
Oh well.

Been there done that.

You should have gotten the t-shirt.

The proof is that he is saved. The proof that it wasn't extended at other times is that he wasn't saved.

Are you suggesting that if God extends grace through faith an individual will not be saved?

I find it a bit humorous when synergists use the various “double predestination” arguments against monergists, seems they forget the same issue applies to their soteriology as well.

In other words, the synergist must admit God creates every human knowing some will perish, ultimately creating some for destruction-unless they succumb to the universalism heresy lol

Great idea!!

I find it a bit humorous when synergists use the various “double predestination” arguments against monergists, seems they forget the same issue applies to their soteriology as well.

In other words, the synergist must admit God creates every human knowing some will perish, ultimately creating some for destruction-unless they succumb to the universalism heresy lol

Because they make that choice themselves. If you ask why God chose some to be saved, we are not told, beyond what Paul writes in Romans 9:

“Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,” (Ro 9:18-23 NKJV)

If the person rejects God's gift offered in grace, they will not receive it... including salvation in grace through faith. A lot of people do not think irresistible grace is taught in scripture, and your assuming it to use as a plank in your theories will not persuade such people. You are begging the question there, which is another logical fallacy.

Addiction is connected to poor impulse control, self-medicating and over time other neurological changes.

Making it purely a "moral choice" just leads to feelings of failure and personal weakness.

We cannot "will" into effect our salvation.

Whoa. Massive fail there, putting the cart before the horse. I wonder that you cannot
see how ridiculous it is for you to assert that your faith preceded God's grace.