The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

Actually it does make sense.

If a christian could never earn his gift of eternal life. they could never unearn that gift.

If they can unearn that gift. then it was never a gift to begin with

You mean what was prophesied before, that God would chose the second son not the first. known before they were even born?

Yes,

The prodigal son LOST reward by his own actions
The prodigal son LOST his fathers blessings by his own actions
The prodigal son L:OST fellowship with his father by his own action.

However. the prodigal son NEVER stopped being the son. He did not birth himself. he can not unbirth himself

Well thats exactly what you are doing.

don;t blame people for calling out the truth

Yes.

John said I write these things so you can KNOW you have eternal life.

Satan wants to take our assurance away.

Amen.,

And John 3, John 4 John 5 and John 7. and many other places

forced obedience is not obedience at all. And in the end, you either have to lie how obedient you are. Or turn from the master who stops forgiving you/

Bingo

Or what?

Regardless, God did comply and allow Esau to give away his birthright.

In your world God would have refused to comply because once a birthright or promise is given it cannot be taken away even by the promise holder.

You are just fighting the obvious.

Warnings are good, and your children would be safe with me. Some things are conditional and some things aren't. Dogs return to their vomit and pigs to the muck. It's in their nature. If you want to change their behavior, you have to change their nature. The lesson is: is your nature changed? And the answer is found in whether you have become a new creation or not. If you return to the vomit and muck of your former life, you didn't become new.

The prodigal son was dead in his trespasses and sins. He is never said to be alive until he returns home.

If you really want to understand the parable, begin with the fact that Luke 15 is 1 parable with 3 parts. The parable is about the role of the Godhead in salvation.

If you like, I'll walk you through it.

The difference is who you think is in charge. You're talking about sanctification as if it's us trying to wrestle our own flesh into obedience to God. That's not what it is at all. It's God the Spirit working in you to mold your flesh into a more Christ shaped form. Sanctification is God working us, not us working to "be better". This is why and how we say "God gets ALL the glory for anything I do". A statement you seem dead set to disprove for some reason. Those who teach we can lose our salvation are doing what you describe, they take the works of a works based salvation and put them behind salvation. Like being born again is a cosmic probation and test that puts the full weight of salvation on your shoulders. This is the false message, and is what you're describing.

As always the problem here is one side exults God alone leaving no glory for man to claim for himself, and the other has to lower and belittle the true power of our God, in order to grab a little bit of that credit for himself. This is what it boils down to every time. We can't earn our salvation any more than we can reject it and walk away once it's given to us, not because of our power, which there is none of, but ALL BY HIS!!!!! All glory to God!

Warnings and encouragement to walk in the Spirit, not one is about being unjustified.

Yeah but the true message was never about the younger son when Jesus gave that parable. It was about the older son's unjust judgment concerning the fathers forgiveness of the younger. Jesus was saying this because of and to the Pharisees standing there, and if you go reread it we are told the younger son was forgiven, but it never tells us about the older son. So while your point is taken, it's barely hanging on to the toenail of what the point of that parable was given for. The point was be careful you don't arrogantly put yourself "above" any other people. Even the worst kind of people you could imagine, like a disrespectful son that has no concern for his father, takes his inheritance before the fathers even dead and squanders it all on gentile heathenism and ends up un the filth swine pin eating pig food. That was what Jesus was conveying to them at that point.

Justification is one time event, a status conferred to the one who has believed in/trusted in Christ Jesus for the gift of salvation.
Positional sanctification and ongoing sanctification is a result but not the same as justification.

As I stated and you well know words have a semantic range in that passage the concept of "temporal deliverance" is in view.
I would say in my native language the word for "saved" is used far more often with this view in mind.

Growing your faith is getting saved in one sense of how "save" is discussed in Scripture. Again, we were saved - we're being saved - we will be saved.

So, yes you are changing the language. The moment you change "salvation" to "sanctification" you've changed the language. If we do not change the language clearly stated in Phil2:12, then we do work with God to accomplish salvation. Even if we "work out" our salvation, is this really any different?

Yes, the 2Pet verses are speaking of the same thing and they are also describing what we do in Christ in Spirit with God working in us. As are other Scriptures describing the same thing. And here in Phil2 Paul very clearly describes this process as accomplishing our SALVATION [which we've been given according to Paul elsewhere] together with God providing the capacity/energizing (energeō is the Greek verb).

Bauer-Danker, Greek-English Lexicon of the NT (BDAG)

[BDAG] κατεργάζομαι (katergazomai)

1. to bring about a result by doing someth., achieve, accomplish, do τὶ someth.


From Merriam-Webster:

work out
2 of 2verb
worked out; working out; works out
transitive verb

1a: to bring about by labor and exertion
work out your own salvation—Philippians 2:12 (King James Version)

b: to solve (something, such as a problem) by a process of reasoning or calculation

c: to devise, arrange, or achieve by resolving difficulties
after many years of wrangling, worked out a definite agreement—A. A. Butkus

d: develop
the final situation is not worked out with psychological profundity—Leslie Rees

2: to discharge (a debt) by labor

3: to exhaust (something, such as a mine) by working


FWIW, MW is the first dictionary I landed on.

Just repeating and highlighting a bit.

Always seems to be the great question.

So, explain them. "You know nothing..." is basically an empty argument. What do those "idioms' mean (assuming they are idioms)?