Imputed Righteousness???

“and his righteousness being imputed to us (we did not become righteousness).”

“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:21‬ ‭

what that’s saying is firther understood here it’s an ongoing process for believers
Of the gospel who actually listen to Jesus teachings

“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: ( thisnis who’s being addressed not people who reject his word )


that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; ( repent )

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; ( hear and believe the gospel )

and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”( become the righteousness of God in him )
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

single are never going to explain things but chapters will

what makes it subjunctive?

The difference is that he was credited with our sins and we were credited with his righteousness, but he didn't become sin and we didn't become righteousness

The Greek mood for the word becoming is subjunctive. I mistakenly wrote case above

You know the doctrine about you are new creations in Christ ? Or “ you have been born again in Christ ?

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

hardly anyone experiences this it seems because we do man t listen to the doctrine of the gospel that changes our mind and heart towards God. That changes how we think and believe

That change doesn’t just magically happen it happens for those who follow after the truth band are set free

“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

at he gospel can change us at our core from sinners to children of God bit only if we accept his words in the gospel

The new creation, new man, born from above mean the indwelling spirit of God which has never happened before. It's a new creation

Hmm what do you make of all of the scriptire instructing Christian’s to repent and live right ? To change thier ways ? To let thier minds be changed ? Why is all of that stuff so important to scripture?

What I’m asking is why was Paul writing these letters to the church teaching then all these things ?

“if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil. Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It’s like what the bibke actually says in its pages has become irrelevant to what people believe about the Bible . If it’s all magically done beyond our Will and knowledge why are we instructed in the bi ke what to do and not do and how to be saved and what will damn us ? What would be the point of teaching anyone anything ? Why not just say grace everyone’s saved ?

some of the ideas here n this forum are truly baffling and bewildering

The new creation doesn't make us righteous, it enables us to walk righteously. We have righteousness credited to us and been gifted with the power to make it so, but that only happens if we apply ourselves to walk righteously. It doesn't happen automatically, ie we're not robots or God..

if righteousness could be earned we would still be under the law

So you think walking righteously is earning righteousness? No, it's simply walking according to out new nature, which is having the spirit of righteousness within instructing us how to walk. It's as simple as, if you are a child of God, act like it

fair enough makes sense

No it says ask Father, Daddy, John 4:23-24 trust Father to give it, It is a gift that no one can earn thanks

It's a subjunctive in a purpose clause. He made Him sin for the purpose of making us the righteousness of God in Him. His purpose was to accomplish something, which thing was accomplished.

Justification and the new birth were accomplished, but being the righteousness of God means we are perfect, which we are not, so you are taking it too far.

Purpose Clause
a) The ‘purpose clause’ (a dependent clause) is used to show the purpose or intention of the action of the main verb in the sentence (in the independent clause). This construction is meant to show intention, not to state whether something actually happens or not.

I see you don't want to answer the question.

Obviously the answer is that the person who is declared righteous despite the fact that he "does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly" does not fit into either the works category or the faith plus works category. The same is true for the second set of people Paul mentions (who also were mentioned by David).

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.” (Ro 4:7–8)

These people get what they don't deserve... their lawless deeds are forgiven and their sins are covered.

Romans 4 describes two groups of people. One group of people work for right standing with God. The other group do not work for it, but receive right standing with God as a free gift. It is unfortunate that there are many who attempt to redefine the first group as those who seek to please God by obeying the law and the second groop as those who seek to please God by obedience through faith.

Do you not know that the new man "was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness" (Eph 4:24)? There is more to this than meets the eye.

The new man is us with a new, holy spirit that makes us holy, not righteous. Righteousness is credited to us through Christ's death and we walk in his righteousness as we hearken to the holy spirit witnessing with the word

When Jesus said, "I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly" (Jn 10:10), He certainly meant to state His purpose in comming, and He certainly meant to say that those who receive life have it and have it abundantly.

It says "true righteousness" and "holiness". They exist in tandem.