what I learned about oneness pentecostalism

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TheLearner

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I believe Jesus is God and the Trinity.

oneness pentecostalism teaches that Jesus was only on God's mind and as such no pre-existence. Logically he is not God. However, they claim he is God the Father. They say, the fullness of the godhead being the Father is in him. When we are born again, we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit., but we are not God. Jesus having the Father in him does not make him the Father too. They are illogical.

What do you know about oneness pentecostalism ??? I want your input and corrections, please Daniel
 
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They are very cultic and dogmatic in their beliefs. Once I heard they discount someone's baptism by immersion if its done with the words "I baptize you in the name of the Father, The Son and of the Holy Ghost".
This is what Jesus told the baptizers to do. Baptizing in this manner is being baptism in the name of Jesus. (In the name of meaning, carrying out the order He commanded, by His authority.)
 
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Jesus as God is the mystery of God. For he is the Son of God the propitiation for sin. The fullness of God the Father, (the Holy Spirit that led Jesus) Jesus in his perfect life here on earth, has fulfilled Law, and Prophets of his coming to save us. (Matt 5:17, John 19:30. John 1:29, ?Hebrews 9:14-17)
the Law had to be fulfilled before any new life could ever get put in people and become new in God's Spirit and Truth.
That is what Jesus in the flesh, born of the flesh, of Woman, Mary from the tribe of Judah, Jesus came forth from has now done
Jesus was not born of man, woman yes not man (Hebrews 7:11-12) a new Law that is God's Love in 1 Cor 13:4-7 is in place that no other person can do, which is done for us all in Son's done work on earth first. To reconcile us as if never once sinned ever (2 Cor 5:16-20)
The new life starts in the resurrected life of Jesus, Yashua Ha'Mashiach
God desires for us to live a life of love, God's type of Love he inputs in us to simply love all, yes even those that have done you wrong and those you have done wrong.
Learn the new "The art of fighting without fighting"

The new is in the risen Son of God, the only perfect flesh to ever do the Law perfect in Love to all. Left for us to decide to believe God or not and then learn the new from Father in Spirit and Truth, (John 4:23-24)
 
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I believe Jesus is God and the Trinity.

oneness pentecostalism teaches that Jesus was only on God's mind and as such no pre-existence. Logically he is not God. However, they claim he is God the Father. They say, the fullness of the godhead being the Father is in him. When we are born again, we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit., but we are not God. Jesus having the Father in him does not make him the Father too. They are illogical.

What do you know about oneness pentecostalism ??? I want your input and corrections, please Daniel
Just for informational
Denominations, Prefer 10's twenty's, hundred's
Non- denomination after the same thing
Jobs are needed and it is not bad to give, only if one can't afford to give and does not give willingly I'd rather you prophesy over everything else. in this case prophecy is Help encourage
Each other, stop beating one another up over what denomination one attends
God is One, we are one in Father and Son, at least me

Now I want to tell you what God in his grace has done for the churches in Macedonia.
Though they have been going through much trouble and hard times, they have mixed their wonderful joy with their deep poverty, and the result has been an overflow of giving to others. They gave not only what they could afford but far more; and I can testify that they did it because they wanted to and not because of nagging on my part.

Therefore, whatever place anyone attends, do it willingly over having to, thank you
The risen Lord is preached, that I will gory in over everything else
 

lrs68

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From my understanding they believe much like the Jews that God is ONE.

From the usage of Isaiah I have learned they basically believe God is Spirit that became flesh as a Comforter and taught individuals about the Kingdom of Heaven to spread the message. But God in flesh returned back to Heaven so God could come back as Spirit and be a Comforter to multiple people at once.

They fully believe God is Father, Son/WORD, Holy Spirit. They fully believe God is One God. They differ between manifestation and person because the word person is never used in Scripture.
 

SonJudgment

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The Oneness cult is not Christian and it's not even Pentecostalism either as they schismed off of the actual Pentecostals. In fact the closest religion they are comparable to is that of the Pharisees. They are overt and pernicious heretics that hold to the damnable heresy of modalism. For this damnable heresy the only assurance a Christian can give to them is that unless they forsake their cult and their heresy they are guaranteed to be commended to the eternal hellfire as certified by all the saints official in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
 
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The Oneness cult is not Christian and it's not even Pentecostalism either as they schismed off of the actual Pentecostals. In fact the closest religion they are comparable to is that of the Pharisees. They are overt and pernicious heretics that hold to the damnable heresy of modalism. For this damnable heresy the only assurance a Christian can give to them is that unless they forsake their cult and their heresy they are guaranteed to be commended to the eternal hellfire as certified by all the saints official in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
As for me, I see to only trust God in risen Son to decide as I know I deserve death too, whether I sin again or not, I am by God in risen Son forgiven to just love all as Son did by going to that cross willingly first
Thanks as we each learn new daily in trust to the done work of God through Son at least for me thanks
 

SonJudgment

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As for me, I see to only trust God in risen Son to decide as I know I deserve death too, whether I sin again or not, I am by God in risen Son forgiven to just love all as Son did by going to that cross willingly first
Thanks as we each learn new daily in trust to the done work of God through Son at least for me thanks
That's nice and all but there is no negotiation that can be made for them. If they deny the trinity doctrine they are denying God and so the only certainty for the heretics that follow after the pernicious heresy of modalism is that they are never going to be saved since they forsake the truth of God in favor of lies. With full certainty if one enjoins themselves to the Oneness cult and continues with the cult, and/or their foundational heresy which is modalism, then they are guaranteed by the saints official that they are going to end up in eternal hellfire, in the name of Jesus, amen.
 

lrs68

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That's nice and all but there is no negotiation that can be made for them. If they deny the trinity doctrine they are denying God and so the only certainty for the heretics that follow after the pernicious heresy of modalism is that they are never going to be saved since they forsake the truth of God in favor of lies. With full certainty if one enjoins themselves to the Oneness cult and continues with the cult, and/or their foundational heresy which is modalism, then they are guaranteed by the saints official that they are going to end up in eternal hellfire, in the name of Jesus, amen.
The ones I know do not deny the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. They deny adding words like persons which is not in the Bible anywhere. So how are they wrong for not adding words to the Bible?
 
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The Oneness cult is not Christian and it's not even Pentecostalism either as they schismed off of the actual Pentecostals. In fact the closest religion they are comparable to is that of the Pharisees. They are overt and pernicious heretics that hold to the damnable heresy of modalism. For this damnable heresy the only assurance a Christian can give to them is that unless they forsake their cult and their heresy they are guaranteed to be commended to the eternal hellfire as certified by all the saints official in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
I learned something new today. Didn't even know this existed. Thanks for the info.
 

SonJudgment

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The ones I know do not deny the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. They deny adding words like persons which is not in the Bible anywhere. So how are they wrong for not adding words to the Bible?
Again, the Oneness cult holds to the heresy of modalism. The heresy of modalism is not a new heresy either, but is a well known and damnable heresy. The basic premise of the heresy of modalism is that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are confused together into mere modes, hence the heresy is called modalism.

Matthew chapter 3, the baptism account of Jesus wherein also are featured the Father and the Spirit soundly destroys the heresy of modalism as all three persons of the trinity are seen acting in tandem, something that is impossible if modalism were true.

Additionally all the true and faithful saints official of Christianity long ago identified and condemned the heresy of modalism as best expressed in the Athanasian Creed, of which the Oneness cult offends against many points of the Creed and the correct understanding of God which is essential to salvation thus placing firmly out of the bounds of Christianity. Since they are firmly outside of the religion of Christianity the only assurance the Oneness cult has is certain damnation unless they forsake their cult which really only aggrandizes a few charmismatic heretics that are their leaders anyways, renounce their damnable heresy of modalism which is a mere step removed from the beliefs of the Pharisees that murdered the Christ for being the Son of God, and they convert to Christianity.
 

SonJudgment

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I learned something new today. Didn't even know this existed. Thanks for the info.
Yea, it is arguably the largest heretical sect in the modern era. Take note of the Modalistic Monarchiasm link there, which is really just a very fancy way to say that their primary heresy is modalism with a sprinkle of subordinationism as well, as if their fate to the hellfire were not certain enough.
 

lrs68

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Again, the Oneness cult holds to the heresy of modalism. The heresy of modalism is not a new heresy either, but is a well known and damnable heresy. The basic premise of the heresy of modalism is that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are confused together into mere modes, hence the heresy is called modalism.

Matthew chapter 3, the baptism account of Jesus wherein also are featured the Father and the Spirit soundly destroys the heresy of modalism as all three persons of the trinity are seen acting in tandem, something that is impossible if modalism were true.

Additionally all the true and faithful saints official of Christianity long ago identified and condemned the heresy of modalism as best expressed in the Athanasian Creed, of which the Oneness cult offends against many points of the Creed and the correct understanding of God which is essential to salvation thus placing firmly out of the bounds of Christianity. Since they are firmly outside of the religion of Christianity the only assurance the Oneness cult has is certain damnation unless they forsake their cult which really only aggrandizes a few charmismatic heretics that are their leaders anyways, renounce their damnable heresy of modalism which is a mere step removed from the beliefs of the Pharisees that murdered the Christ for being the Son of God, and they convert to Christianity.
Actually the baptism of Jesus showed us the fullness of God. Man calls it a Trinity which is nowhere in the Bible. But God is One and we know God as the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Where in the Bible does it say those who believe in Oneness of God is doomed for Hell?
 

SonJudgment

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Actually the baptism of Jesus showed us the fullness of God. Man calls it a Trinity which is nowhere in the Bible. But God is One and we know God as the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Where in the Bible does it say those who believe in Oneness of God is doomed for Hell?
Again, modalism is totally refuted by Matthew 3 which in addition proves the trinity doctrine as it shows all three persons of the trinity acting at once, which is not possible if the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were merely different modes of God as is the premise of modalism. Trying to skirt around that fact that this cult partakes in the heresy of modalism is a fatal mistake. There is no negotiation they can make to save their cult and also their own souls simultaneously, but they must either choose to abandon the cult or for heresy be thrown into the hellfire with a guarantee that is certified by the saints official. By holding the heresy of modalism they do not really believe in God,nor are they genuine of heart for God, but they are merely just loyal to their cult. They have gone after the way of the Pharisees, and as such, unless they repent and convert to Christianity, their only assurance is eternal damnation as John the Baptist indicates to them in the same exact chapter.
 

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Again, modalism is totally refuted by Matthew 3 which in addition proves the trinity doctrine as it shows all three persons of the trinity acting at once, which is not possible if the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were merely different modes of God as is the premise of modalism. Trying to skirt around that fact that this cult partakes in the heresy of modalism is a fatal mistake. There is no negotiation they can make to save their cult and also their own souls simultaneously, but they must either choose to abandon the cult or for heresy be thrown into the hellfire with a guarantee that is certified by the saints official. By holding the heresy of modalism they do not really believe in God,nor are they genuine of heart for God, but they are merely just loyal to their cult. They have gone after the way of the Pharisees, and as such, unless they repent and convert to Christianity, their only assurance is eternal damnation as John the Baptist indicates to them in the same exact chapter.
A voice, a person, and a bird is what was witnessed. I think they are as saved as we are and they don't add words to the Bible like we do.
 

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A voice, a person, and a bird is what was witnessed. I think they are as saved as we are and they don't add words to the Bible like we do.
Then you think very incorrectly and your appeals for them will not be regarded as it is not a point that is up for negotiation but has been made clear by the saints official in both the sacred scriptures and the holy Athanasian Creed.
 

SonJudgment

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Please define what your working definition of modalism is.
I've literally already done that twice, just re-read that full post that you quote, or you know, go learn what it is yourself. It's not a new heresy, it's a pretty old one. Their cult might be new, but their damnable heresy sure isn't.
 
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I've literally already done that twice, just re-read that full post that you quote, or you know, go learn what it is yourself. It's not a new heresy, it's a pretty old one. Their cult might be new, but their damnable heresy sure isn't.
I need you to define what modalism means to you. I'm not going to try to infer it from things you've said