Understanding God’s election
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Now in English....
They were punished! God stopped holding back his discipline.
He had been passing by their punishment.
Up to then He had been passing them by.
Amos 8:1-2
This is what the Sovereign Lord showed me: a basket of ripe fruit.
“What do you see, Amos?” he asked.
“A basket of ripe fruit,” I answered.
Then the Lord said to me, “The time is ripe for my people Israel;
I will spare them no longer.
This is what the Sovereign Lord showed me: a basket of ripe fruit.
“What do you see, Amos?” he asked.
“A basket of ripe fruit,” I answered.
Then the Lord said to me, “The time is ripe for my people Israel;
I will spare them no longer.
They were punished! God stopped holding back his discipline.
He had been passing by their punishment.
Up to then He had been passing them by.
The punishment of the nation of Israel, besides being subjected to His wrath, was that they would no longer be "His people"
as is substantiated by Hos 1:2,9,10, Rom 9:23-26, 1Jo 3:1-2:
[Hos 1:2,9-10 KJV]
2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, [departing] from the LORD.
9 Then said [God], Call his name Loammi: for ye [are] not my people, and I will not be your [God].
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people, [there] it shall be said unto them, [Ye are] the sons of the living God.
[Rom 9:23-26 KJV]
[23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
[1Jo 3:1-2 KJV]
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
as is substantiated by Hos 1:2,9,10, Rom 9:23-26, 1Jo 3:1-2:
[Hos 1:2,9-10 KJV]
2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, [departing] from the LORD.
9 Then said [God], Call his name Loammi: for ye [are] not my people, and I will not be your [God].
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people, [there] it shall be said unto them, [Ye are] the sons of the living God.
[Rom 9:23-26 KJV]
[23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
[1Jo 3:1-2 KJV]
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Here, look, it's easy to see, I think (but kind of tired right now so I may not have gotten the logic entirely straight).
If, as I understand the millennium reign correctly, for those saved, at the very beginning of it, they (supposedly) will be raised; however, it would then be impossible for there to be a thousand-year period after that raising, because the raising will occur on the last day. With it happening on the last day, there obviously cannot be more days to follow it in order to accommodate another a thousand years.
[Jhn 6:44 KJV] 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[Jhn 12:48 KJV] 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
This is also substantiated by 1co 15:52, where we are told the dead shall be raised at the last trump. The last trump is sounded
on the last day I believe. The last trump is the seventh (last) trumpet and is sounded by the seventh angel.
[1Co 15:52 KJV] 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[Rev 10:6-7 KJV]
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
If, as I understand the millennium reign correctly, for those saved, at the very beginning of it, they (supposedly) will be raised; however, it would then be impossible for there to be a thousand-year period after that raising, because the raising will occur on the last day. With it happening on the last day, there obviously cannot be more days to follow it in order to accommodate another a thousand years.
[Jhn 6:44 KJV] 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[Jhn 12:48 KJV] 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
This is also substantiated by 1co 15:52, where we are told the dead shall be raised at the last trump. The last trump is sounded
on the last day I believe. The last trump is the seventh (last) trumpet and is sounded by the seventh angel.
[1Co 15:52 KJV] 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[Rev 10:6-7 KJV]
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
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Despising the "older brother" Israel are we?
Hardness of heart is a result of the false docrines of Calvinite-ism.
We should LOVE our older brother (as Jesus/Joseph does), knowing the gravity of such a sin.
Yes, we all know that you and your crew have NO IDEA of what these passages portray.
Which is why you are a tormented Calvinite and amil.
[Gen 42:8 NKJV]
So Joseph recognized his brothers, but they did not recognize him.
[Gen 42:23 NKJV]
But they did not know that Joseph understood [them], for he spoke to them through an interpreter.
[Gen 42:24 NKJV]
And he turned himself away from them and wept. Then he returned to them again, and talked with them. And he took Simeon from them and bound him before their eyes.
[Gen 45:1 KJV]
Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried, Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren.
[Gen 50:17 KJV]
So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.
[Gen 50:18 KJV]
And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we [be] thy servants.
[Gen 50:19 KJV]
And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for [am] I in the place of God?
[Gen 50:20 KJV]
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; [but] God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as [it is] this day, to save much people alive.
[Gen 50:21 KJV]
Now therefore fear ye not: I will nourish you, and your little ones. And he comforted them, and spake kindly unto them.
Hardness of heart is a result of the false docrines of Calvinite-ism.
We should LOVE our older brother (as Jesus/Joseph does), knowing the gravity of such a sin.
Yes, we all know that you and your crew have NO IDEA of what these passages portray.
Which is why you are a tormented Calvinite and amil.
[Gen 42:8 NKJV]
So Joseph recognized his brothers, but they did not recognize him.
[Gen 42:23 NKJV]
But they did not know that Joseph understood [them], for he spoke to them through an interpreter.
[Gen 42:24 NKJV]
And he turned himself away from them and wept. Then he returned to them again, and talked with them. And he took Simeon from them and bound him before their eyes.
[Gen 45:1 KJV]
Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried, Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren.
[Gen 50:17 KJV]
So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.
[Gen 50:18 KJV]
And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we [be] thy servants.
[Gen 50:19 KJV]
And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for [am] I in the place of God?
[Gen 50:20 KJV]
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; [but] God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as [it is] this day, to save much people alive.
[Gen 50:21 KJV]
Now therefore fear ye not: I will nourish you, and your little ones. And he comforted them, and spake kindly unto them.
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[Gen 45:2 NKJV]
And he wept aloud, and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard [it].
[Gen 45:4 NKJV]
And Joseph said to his brothers, "Please come near to me." So they came near. Then he said: "I [am] Joseph your brother, whom you sold into Egypt.
[Gen 45:5 NKJV]
"But now, do not therefore be grieved or angry with yourselves because you sold me here; for God sent me before you to preserve life.
[Gen 45:8 NKJV]
"So now [it was] not you [who] sent me here, but God; and He has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.
[Gen 45:14 NKJV]
Then he fell on his brother Benjamin's neck and wept, and Benjamin wept on his neck.
[Gen 45:15 NKJV]
Moreover he kissed all his brothers and wept over them, and after that his brothers talked with him.
And he wept aloud, and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard [it].
[Gen 45:4 NKJV]
And Joseph said to his brothers, "Please come near to me." So they came near. Then he said: "I [am] Joseph your brother, whom you sold into Egypt.
[Gen 45:5 NKJV]
"But now, do not therefore be grieved or angry with yourselves because you sold me here; for God sent me before you to preserve life.
[Gen 45:8 NKJV]
"So now [it was] not you [who] sent me here, but God; and He has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.
[Gen 45:14 NKJV]
Then he fell on his brother Benjamin's neck and wept, and Benjamin wept on his neck.
[Gen 45:15 NKJV]
Moreover he kissed all his brothers and wept over them, and after that his brothers talked with him.
Hmmm...technically, that isn't true. We're in the "millennial" reign. The spiritual, invisible kingdom was inaugurated at Pentecost and will be consummated at the Parousia at which time it will become the eternal, visible kingdom. Christ is already reigning in his kingdom from heaven and we are reigning with Him. I'm sure you're aware that numbers in scripture are often used figuratively in scripture, and this is especially true of the number "1,000" which simply denotes a long, indefinite period of time.
P.S. Have a Joyous and Blessed Christmas, brother.
P.S. Have a Joyous and Blessed Christmas, brother.
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