Understanding God’s election

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children aren’t good or evil they are innocent it depends on what they learn from their Father as they grow up
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“Train up a child in the way he should go:

And when he is old, he will not depart from it.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭22:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That gets translated/interpreted to mean we treat God like the loving Father He is to us, and we are His trusting children. .


Romans 8:15-16 You did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.

So that he would be glorified and praised for his justice. Don't you know that even the wicked will glorify God? Every knee ever created will bow to Christ to the praise of his glory (Rom 14:11; Php 2:10-11)! See also Rev 19:1-5; Mat 11:25-26, etc. The wicked will receive what they justly deserve, and the saints will receive what they deserve based solely on the merits of Christ's life, death, burial and resurrection.

God has made the wicked even for the day of evil... (Prov 16:4).

Yeah I’m saying babies don’t and can’t commit sin , so they don’t need to have thier sins remitted ……

“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
‭‭James‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

babies and small children don’t know good and evil they learn it as tbey grow up

“Train up a child in the way he should go: And when he is old, he will not depart from it.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭22:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yet...at the same time I know more than a few godly families who have sons or daughters who hate God, Jesus and the Gospel. The above passage is a solid guideline but there is no guarantee that God will save such children. And we shouldn't forget that Christ did not come to bring peace upon families, but rather his gospel tends to DIVIDE families.

Then you are wrong. Read Rom 5 some day. Adam is the federal head of infants, toddlers, babies, kids, adults, adolescents, etc. None of these categories are entitled to a free "get out of jail" card.

God will never interfere with your will. #shorts #billygraham #joy

Salvation is for everyone. God is outside of time he knows before people are born if they will come to him.

Actually.. it was an attempt to "achieve" righteousness.

But, the Law was given to show man that he is not righteous.




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Yes true because they live in a world of evil influence

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what do you say about temptations ?

“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:13-15‬ ‭

As we grow up in life we’re going to face the world of wickedness we dwell in and have to make choices tbat will determine the outcome of our souls if we choose the gospel we’re going to be saved

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have to serve good or evil since Adam ate the fruit

Abel served good , cain served evil

Enoch served God and walked with him , Noah served God and walked with him , job served God also acceptable and knew him ,Abraham believed the Lord and was considered righteous and was called Gods friend . All of this happened even before the law was given at Sinai……

befor the broken covenant and all men becoming hopeless

Here's a bowl.

Hold it still.

I am going to scoop what you do.

Simple Simon met a pieman, going to the fair.
Says Simple Simon to the pieman?
"Seen Rufus anywhere?"

I think your putting a lot of weight on the phrase “ slave “

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, ( we used to offer ourselves to sin freely ) but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. ( remember Paul’s discussing baptism)

Being then made free from sin,

ye became the servants of righteousness.”( now as born again Christian’s , we choose to yield ourselves to God and not sin as we did before )
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity;

even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we don’t know and believe we can choose , it’s only then when we have no choice.

Not when its with cold-hearted logic...

Yeah, and you are mixing two completely different types of people in your analysis. You really
ought not do that. The slave to sn is not set free, I wonder that you really do not grasp that.

Perhaps you should take the word "slave" more seriously. Captive to the will of the devil.
Lover of darkness. Hostile to God. Cannot obey. Gee, you really ignore a LOT of Scripture.

I have pointed these and many other verses out to you many times.

I maintain all consistent Calvinists inevitably believe in double predestination.
They either believe God actively predestined some to hell, as Calvin does, or He did so by choosing not to offer what would have surely delivered them from hell to heaven, which is unconditional election and selective regeneration.

A tragic contradiction in Calvinism, that depicts God unlike the God of Scripture.
Babies are not born evil.

A lack of understanding is fixable, indoctrination not so much.

And then we have you and your buddies claiming and/or applauding ideas like God acting unilaterally makes
Him an unjust tyrant kidnapping people against their "free will" and a hoax of salvation and repentance.

Some of you are so adamantly against admitting what Scripture actually says that when the truth of the revealed written Word is presented, it gets denied left right and center seven ways to Sunday, with some insisting we make God a rapist because He did NOT ask Mary's permission, as if she did not give her consent (which she did), and even worse, as if the ridiculous so-called Christian making such outlandish false accusations believes God actually had sexual relations with Mary. The slander from some of you just never ends.