Mathew 17:21

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jacko

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Why do so many Translation only have as a footnote. Was it spoken by Jesus or not or was it added on? NIV. No KJV yes.
This is a big deal and and a very important lesson.
 

CS1

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Why do so many Translation only have as a footnote. Was it spoken by Jesus or not or was it added on? NIV. No KJV yes.
This is a big deal and and a very important lesson.
IS THERE any parallel text? the answer is yes. Matthew 17:21 is said where else?

Mark 11:23
 

BonnieClaire

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It's in my bible . . .

Matthew 17:21
21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. ~KJV

Mark 9:29
29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting. ~KJV
 

jacko

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My bible is the app.. I have 30 different translation available at my finger tips. But curious why the difference for such an important point.
 

GWH

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Why do so many Translation only have as a footnote. Was it spoken by Jesus or not or was it added on? NIV. No KJV yes.
This is a big deal and and a very important lesson.
Whether it was or not, MT 17:14-23 needs to be understood in the context of MT 28:19-20, JN 13:35 and the entire NT, which indicates that God's will was for Jesus to work miracles as a sign of Messiahship, but also for Messiah to be crucified, and for saving faith in Messiah to be manifested by moving the mountain of love or spiritual healing, not physical miracle-working.
 

SabbathBlessing

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Why do so many Translation only have as a footnote. Was it spoken by Jesus or not or was it added on? NIV. No KJV yes.
This is a big deal and and a very important lesson.
I'm not a fan of the NIV, it adds lot of liberties which changes meaning. I would consider word for word translation. 5e7bb284e4a3299d8e2371b6d15efe09.jpg
 

Magenta

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I've stopped using the Amplified bible because it is so not a word for word translation!
I have never liked that translation/version... adds way too much!
 

homwardbound

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Why do so many Translation only have as a footnote. Was it spoken by Jesus or not or was it added on? NIV. No KJV yes.
This is a big deal and and a very important lesson.
Any doubt, even a modicum, stops anyone from being established in the whole entire truth of God for us the people
Isaiah 7:1-9, God tells this truth
Jesus furthers this truth As soon as the Disciples had a smidgeon of guess work over it, the enemies of God get a hold of you the person
Seeing Eve, listen to the enemy of God speak, then saw that tree as good to eat from and ate. Amazing the tricks of the enemies of God, using words to get to us the people of God, not that it has not happened to me, it has, thanking God for revealing to me to be aware and keep humble in it for
God
Yes it takes much fasting and prayer to see through it
Okay, one anyone, it takes not giving up on one, day getting through any troubles that happen and then go away.
seeing once the toothpaste is out of the tube, no one but God can put it back in the tube
Once any sin is done even over and over again it is done, God chose to forgive us all through Son. That got done since (Reconciled) on that cross once for us all (Hebrews 10:10)(John 19:30. 1:29)
So we can now learn from all mistakes ever made and might make again
EX: those sins we hate now and yet continue in to do them even though we do not want to do them Romans 7
Has any sin left you, and you know it has, and are not worried over it anymore? Yeah, God did that through you and for you to see to only depend on God to get you through it all, in humility
The sexual sin is the biggie for many, Money another, drinking and so forth, even lust in the mind, that are not your thought(s) are planted by God's enemies spiritually
What I am saying, is do not give up on God to get you through it all. You sin again, tell God thank you from within, ask God how to let go of it, you want to overcome it, and not be prideful as have where thought you got it, right?
God had reconciled us all to be born new and not wait belief to see through it

Yes Jesus said that about that kind of evil going on
It takes, not stopping beleif to see it through and leave you, and you have seen other things leave you too, and are no longer a part of you, remaining humble in it. Knowing every time you got any pride over stopping anything, it came back worse at you as if there is no way you can overcome it. Only in the risen Son given one can one. at least this I see in my own experiences of never giving up on God over it all.
God does just love us all, that is the amazing part, "God says My Grace is sufficient for you too"
If anyone has this truth and mis uses it, will not see through it, and seeing through it can take a long time. yet compare that to eternity and it be worth a lifetime of struggles here first
On the earth with suffering and shame, gets hinds feet grown in those that willingly go through it
Hinds feet gets one to skip across the mountains with Father and Son as Won (One)
See The Book of Job, see Job not deny God at all, even through adversities. See Lot do the same, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. It is troublesome here on earth, best to do as David in Psalm 1 in any honest opinion, stand therefore stand in Col 1:21-23
MATTHEW 17:21
KJ21
However this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.”
AMP
[But this kind of demon does not go out except by prayer and fasting.]”
AMPC
But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.
BRG
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
CJB

CEV
Jesus replied: It is because you don't have enough faith! But I can promise you this. If you had faith no larger than a mustard seed, you could tell this mountain to move from here to there. And it would. Everything would be possible for you.
DARBY
But this kind does not go out but by prayer and fasting.
DLNT

DRA
And when they abode together in Galilee, Jesus said to them: The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
ERV

EASY
[ Jesus then said, ‘This kind of spirit will not leave a person unless you pray and you do not eat for a time.’]
EHV
But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”
EXB
| That kind of spirit comes out only if you use prayer and fasting.|”
GNV
Howbeit this kind goeth not out, but by prayer and fasting.
GNT

oes not go out except by prayer and fasting.” ]

TLB
But this kind of demon won’t leave unless you have prayed and gone without food.”
MEV
But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”
NABRE
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NASB1995
[But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.” ]
NCB
But this kind of demon does not come out except by prayer and fasting.]”
NCV
That kind of spirit comes out only if you use prayer and fasting.]”
NIRV
He replied, “Because your faith is much too small. What I’m about to tell you is true. If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, it is enough. You can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there.’ And it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
NIV

NIVUK

NKJV
However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”
NLV