Are you a body with a soul, or a soul with a body?

I think he meant “ultimately”.

In the beginning, we see the Father breathe the spirit into the clay. The clay became a living soul. So, the spirit of God made man a living being, with God’s spirit in him he could be called “..Adam, the son of God“ because he possessed the attribute of his Father; His spirit. From his own point of view, Adam was a spirit clothed in flesh. That is why he could be naked and not ashamed: what was actually important was covered by flesh.

When Adam sinned, he first reasoned for the benefit of his flesh, not his spirit. The fruit was good food, pleasing to look at, and could make him wise. This is the same trap John warned about (the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life). When the needs of the soul are elevated about the spirit, a condition called darkness overtakes the man. Why darkness? Because the default setting of every man is “light”, not neutrality, because of the spirit of God in them. It’s the same reason all men begin their lives in a condition called “lost”: their lives originated with God but they are not reconciled (brought back to their original position) to Him unless they receive the Son. “God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself…”

Later, and to reconcile man to God, we see the Son breathe on His disciples with the instruction to receive the Holy Spirit. This was important because man was not a lump of clay but a living being in a world controlled by the evil one. God’s nature (spirit) creates life, the Holy Spirit redeems life from darkness. It’s effectively a different administration of the same Spirit. Just like the Spirit may create animals and the Spirit may create the heavenlies (as we saw in Genesis). So, empowerment against the schemes of the enemy is necessary because these schemes have created tradition for thousands of years founded on darkness: preserving the soul and the flesh above all else.

In summary: all men have the spirit of God in them. We only partake of His divine nature by coming out of darkness and receiving the One sent to redeem us from the world. Only by Him do we receive the Holy Spirit and move out of our state of condemnation and darkness.

Sorry, I guess I get carried away from time to time.

Annihilated. No longer existing.

We cannot read “forever” and insert perpetuity. It often means “until the end of the age” or “to completeness”.
When God is all in all there is no more darkness, demons, or evil.

In the beginning, we see the Father breathe the spirit into the clay. The clay became a living soul. So, the spirit of God made man a living being, with God’s spirit in him he could be called “..Adam, the son of God“ because he possessed the attribute of his Father; His spirit. From his own point of view, Adam was a spirit clothed in flesh. That is why he could be naked and not ashamed: what was actually important was covered by flesh.

When Adam sinned, he first reasoned for the benefit of his flesh, not his spirit. The fruit was good food, pleasing to look at, and could make him wise. This is the same trap John warned about (the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life). When the needs of the soul are elevated about the spirit, a condition called darkness overtakes the man. Why darkness? Because the default setting of every man is “light”, not neutrality, because of the spirit of God in them. It’s the same reason all men begin their lives in a condition called “lost”: their lives originated with God but they are not reconciled (brought back to their original position) to Him unless they receive the Son. “God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself…”

Later, and to reconcile man to God, we see the Son breathe on His disciples with the instruction to receive the Holy Spirit. This was important because man was not a lump of clay but a living being in a world controlled by the evil one. God’s nature (spirit) creates life, the Holy Spirit redeems life from darkness. It’s effectively a different administration of the same Spirit. Just like the Spirit may create animals and the Spirit may create the heavenlies (as we saw in Genesis). So, empowerment against the schemes of the enemy is necessary because these schemes have created tradition for thousands of years founded on darkness: preserving the soul and the flesh above all else.

In summary: all men have the spirit of God in them. We only partake of His divine nature by coming out of darkness and receiving the One sent to redeem us from the world. Only by Him do we receive the Holy Spirit and move out of our state of condemnation and darkness.

But HEY!!!! it's nothing but "Theology" after all!!! Theolog is like noses - everybody's got one.

some tend to look at this as a replacement event spirit but rather he is a healer of our own spirit and healer and mind. Our shepherd who leads us home through the valley of the shadow of death. Gods intimate presence with man is what the gospel has come to restore

putting us all n the place of a disciple of Jesus the lord who’s with us personally by his spirit come to save and restore and redeem our living spirit

You make this equation yet does a lexicographical search of the word in ancient literature give this meaning?

If you do the research you will learn that there is nothing in the word that necessitates ἀπόλλυμι means a permanent and total destruction.

I agree we cannot read "forever."

Scripture does not really tells us that much about the after life but the theologians who started this annihilation trend should not be forcing an interpretation into the words which does not fit how the ancient culture and even today in that region is not the correct understanding of the word.

I’m certainly not forcing anything. I believe my understanding come from time with the Lord. And I certainly don’t begrudge someone who thinks otherwise.

amen brother but “ the Holy Ghost “ is different in tbat it is the spirit of Jesus the son of man who died and rose to life again . It’s the spirit of the son given at the cross the promises Jesus was making in the gospel

“In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)”
‭‭John‬ ‭7:37-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:15-16, 18, 21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the Holy Ghost is as if Jesus comes to dwell with us like the disciples. Leading our spirit back to him

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

some tend to look at this as a replacement event spirit but rather he is a healer of our own spirit and healer and mind. Our shepherd who leads us home through the valley of the shadow of death. Gods intimate presence with man is what the gospel has come to restore

putting us all n the place of a disciple of Jesus the lord who’s with us personally by his spirit come to save and restore and redeem our living spirit

There is only one truth, one reality and it must first and foremost be presented in scripture.
Nothing can be forced that is true.

Ironically, the scripture attributes the authority of truth to a person. And He has delegated that responsibility to the Holy Spirit.

I’m certainly not forcing anything. I believe my understanding come from time with the Lord.
And I certainly don’t begrudge someone who thinks otherwise.

Amen, well put, so encouraging the truth you share.

Dead means separated not non-existent or unable to act.

While reading the thread about Baptism of the Holy Spirit, this thought came to me that I thought might be ignored in a thread that's so involved. Do you consider yourself a body, with a spirit and with an eternal soul, or an eternal soul that has a temporal body that's governed by a God given spirit?

It sound like a dumb question until you think and pray about it for a bit.

Yes!

God tells the story in a way that benefits man; a most common denominator kind of approach. It’s a worthy endeavor to search out what is not obvious.

If we look at mans creation from genesis it reads;

Gen 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.

so the body first then the soul.

Interesting, does scripture play a role?

man became a living being

No, bad definition or translation rather. The angels became living beings but they don't possess a soul. My goodness, what version are you using?