No you are wrong, those who are saved/born again Christ who die are the saved dead. They die the first death but do not die the second death.
It is impossible to be SAVED and DEAD at the same time. UNDER the OLD Covenant
it was possible to be amongst the dead because of the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH but under GRACE by the blood of the Lamb of God, the law of sin and death has NOTHING in us. We will never feel the pains of death. Only our natural body dies, NOT US, and the death of the natural body QUICKENS/brings to life the next body and it is at the death of the natural body that we KEEP ON LIVING just in a spiritual body when we follow Him, to go to the place He went to prepare for us.
Why was a New Covenant brought forth? Because there was NO LAW written that could GIVE LIFE under the OLD. If there had been, then the New Covenant would not have been necessary.
Those in a natural body were once spiritually dead. Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let
the dead bury their
dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
The DEAD who was buried by the dead is
THE still DEAD in Christ having NEVER come to faith and believing while still living.
Hearing the words of God brings us to faith and belief. Remember what Jesus said...and everyone
living and believing in Me
never not shall die. John 11:26
You have to be one of THE DEAD
before the first bodies death
to be one of THE DEAD in the grave.
The first death is ONLY OF the FIRST body.
Matt 10:28
The death of the FIRST BODY
'brings to life' 'quicken' makes alive the SECOND BODY... and we go on to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, the God of the living and not the dead
when we FOLLOW HIM to be where He is. John 14
The dead
are not saved/never been saved
remain subject to death
mortal because the 2nd death might be in their future
lifeless because they have never died in the likeness of Jesus and been born of the Spirit in the likeness of His resurrection.
All I need you to do is show how THE THINGS I HAVE PUT FORTH are wrong and how the things you put forth are right.
Certainly everyone should know dying
the first death doesn't make anyone 'dead', it just makes the first body dead. Everyone LIVES ON, just not in the flesh and blood...
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 And it came to pass, that
the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Why would the 'beggar' need to be RAISED UP at the Return of Christ when he has ALREADY BEEN raised up?
Does
EVERYONE HAVE THEIR 2ND BODIES once they leave their FIRST BODIES at the common death, whether or not they go to the God of the living or are buried and go to the place of THE DEAD?
23 And
in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and
seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus
in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of
his finger in water,
and cool my tongue; for
I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham
said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now
he is comforted, and
thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this,
between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence
to you cannot; neither can they pass
to us, that would come from thence. 27
Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest
send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that
he may testify unto them,
lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets;
let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Notice THE BODIES? Everyone recognizing everyone else. SEEING, FEELING, SPEAKING, FINGER...that is what is written.
And what about these souls in heaven...they had to be RAISED UP to get there from here, didn't they?
Rev 6. This is BEFORE the 2nd Advent for sure,
and NONE of them are 'dead' and waiting for Christ to return. None of them are waiting to be raised up 'out from the dead'
to 'get a body'
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar
the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And
they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And
white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said
unto them, that
they should rest yet for a little season,
until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Those are SOULS with their spiritual bodies.
So is this fellow servant in heaven, in a body, before the 2nd Advent...
Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to wor
ship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9 Then
saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for
I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which
are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10 And I fell
at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and
of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Are all these 'saved dead' awaiting the 2nd Advent of Christ to finally 'rise' and get a body from 'the earth' when He returns?
Please, share how and where I am reading these verses incorrect, and how you read and understand them.
