Understanding God’s election

There is little common ground with people who assert this TULIP system. They believe Christ Jesus only died for some and that God only loves them, this has to have an impact on a person's psyche over time.

They live up to the stereotype over and over again.

It can start okay, but ultimately because of their theology and their constant need for affirmation of a wrong doctrine (dunno,maybe deep down the know they are wrong) it ends up going sour.

Probably some are Christians but their doctrine stunts their growth despite all the intellectualism of their leaders like Piper, Sproul, MacArthur, Begg, Baucham etc.,etc.,

As someone once told me, Calvinist are okay until they start talking about their doctrines, I find this to be so true with people like Baucham etc., and even on here.

Great example of God making two lumps of clay our of one in Rom 9! The first "lump" in v.29 God predestined to be used for noble purposes (cf. also Act 13:48)); whereas the second lump in v.30, God predestined to be used for common purposes (cf. also 1Pet 2:8).

Catholics teach and believe that the bread becomes the literal body of Jesus.
Catholics teach and believe that the wine becomes the literal blood of Jesus.
Catholics teach and believe that God waved his wand and transformed Mary into having no sin nature.

They will argue with you ad ad infinitum.

Now?

Calvinists teach and believe that Jesus only died for some of the sins of mankind - for the elect only.
Calvinists teach and believe that God forces people to believe in Jesus. - Irresistible grace.

They will argue with you ad ad infinitum.

Need I say more? They both came out of the era of the dark ages ...
One broke away from total idiocy of the RCC, and ran into a semblance of Biblical sense, (that was till needing some work).

grace and peace ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

So that is what the proud and arrogant think of helpless people: You mock the helpless and powerless with derogatory terms, i.e. "sock puppets"? Is that what the ancient, helpless Israelites were when they were in Egypt?

So that is what the proud and arrogant think of helpless people: You mock the helpless and powerless with derogatory terms, i.e. "sock puppets"? Is that what the ancient, helpless Israelites were when they were in Egypt?

Catholics teach and believe that the bread becomes the literal body of Jesus.
Catholics teach and believe that the wine becomes the literal blood of Jesus.
Catholics teach and believe that God waved his wand and transformed Mary into having no sin nature.

They will argue with you ad ad infinitum.

Now?

Calvinists teach and believe that Jesus only died for some of the sins of mankind - for the elect only.
Calvinists teach and believe that God forces people to believe in Jesus. - Irresistible grace.

They will argue with you ad ad infinitum.

Need I say more? They both came out of the era of the dark ages ...
One broke away from total idiocy of the RCC, and ran into a semblance of Biblical sense, (that was till needing some work).

grace and peace ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

So, in the context of what I was responding to?
Which was -


He has GIVEN them repentance?
In other words?
They are sock puppets???

Something was apparently lost in the translation of what was cited, if what you said is to apply.

Unfortunately, bringing Eph 1:3-23 to bear upon Rom 9 does not harmonize with Rom 9:16, which clearly teaches that man's will is not involved in God's sovereign decrees of election.

And I categorically reject the heresy that God is merely a potential savior! God actually SAVES all those whom he has predestined (also cf. Rom 8:28-30). He saved Issac and Jacob in Rom 9 by decreeing that they would participate in his covenant promises to Abraham, didn't he? But God also predestined that Ishmael and Esau would not participate in those covenant promises, so they remained the earthly, natural children of Abraham according to only the flesh.

Also, to be "in Christ" or "in Him" is precisely to be no longer in Adam since we're in the Last Adam. Don't forget: God ordained Adam to be the Federal Head of the entire human race; whereas the Last Adam is the Federal Head of all the Father has given to Him. Once a believer is in the Last Adam, he is no longer in the original Adam who is a type of Christ by contrasts.

As far as Deut 30:19 goes that command denotes man's moral responsibility which he cannot execute since [spiritual] LIFE is found only in the Lord per the text. Obviously, the spiritually dead have no ability to obey since all human beings come into this world SEPARATED from the Life of God, which is how everyone is spiritually dead! Death always logically presupposes antecedent life.

Arrogantly condemning every Tom Dick and Harry to the Lake of fire is okay?

Okay, we can discuss RM 8:28-30 if you will explain how your interpretation affirms that God is all-loving per 1TM 2:3-4.

Isaac and Jacob in RM 9 merely refers to the human/natural ancestry of Christ, stating that it is not the natural descendants who are God's children. According to Paul in RM 2:28-29 & 4:9-12, not only Ishmael and Esau but also descendants of Isaac who are not spiritually circumcised by faith are not God's children.

Regarding Adam, Paul said in 1CR 15:22, "For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive", with "all" meaning "those who belong to him" per v.23, which would be the elect, but it does not say whether they become elect by God forcing them to believe or they choose to believe and thereby become chosen.

Other Scriptures that relate to the topic of election include the following:

RM 3:9-18 says that all humanity are sinners or bent on sinning instead of following God’s law through which we become aware of sin, but it does NOT say, man is incapable of believing in Jesus and the Gospel, because the disobedience of Adam and Eve caused all humans to be born with an inherited sin nature and thus having a saving faith is against their very nature.

2TM 2:26 says that all unsaved humans are captive prisoners of Satan, bent on doing whatever he wants them to do, and LK 4:18 says that Jesus came to set the captives of Satan free.

ACTS 16:14 says that God opened Lydia’s heart so she could respond to Paul’s message, and surely everyone else needs God’s grace also, and JN 3:16 indicates that God gives everyone the grace to believe in Jesus and have saving faith.

JN 15:16 reports Jesus saying “You did not choose Me, but I chose you to bear fruit that will last.” MT 1:16 records Jesus choosing to call Simon, Andrew, James and John to follow him as disciples.

RM 9:11-16 says that God’s purpose in election is for salvation not to be by means of works or human effort but by God having mercy on whom He wants or chooses.

God wants all to be saved per 1TM 2:3-4, but apparently some, many and even most people reject His calling (MT 22:14).

2PT 3:9 says that God is not willing that any should perish, but wants everyone to repent, but 2THS 2:10 says some perish because they refused to love the truth and be saved.

RM 9:22-23 indicates that God could have chosen to condemn everyone to show his power, but some are shown mercy, presumably those who did NOT refuse to love the truth.

Those not chosen or shown mercy are given the justice they deserve, but the elect are saved as long as they persevere in loving the truth or having faith in Christ.

Replying to that post would be hazardous as doing so would expose their doctrine to the penetrating light of day
for all to see.

Lie much?. I never did such a thing. You should check your slandering at the door and leave it there. Don't you know that God hates liars (Ps 5:6; Prov 12:22) and that their destiny will be in the lake of fire (Rev 22:15)!?

You keep regurgitating the same nonsense -- all out of context. I addressed earlier 2 Pet 3 and showed how it can't be referring to the world. Later, I'll address 1Tim 2:3-4 since I have also exegeted that passage in the recent past.

And what applies to Issac, Jacob, Ishmael and Esau in Rom 9 applies to all mankind! The two different kinds of "children" = the two lumps of clay that God makes out of one.

Romans is about choices made genius. By people and nations. And their implications. Practically the whole book.

You keep regurgitating the same nonsense -- all out of context. I addressed earlier 2 Pet 3 and showed how it can't be referring to the world. Later, I'll address 1Tim 2:3-4 since I have also exegeted that passage in the recent past.

And what applies to Issac, Jacob, Ishmael and Esau in Rom 9 applies to all mankind! The two different kinds of "children" = the two lumps of clay that God makes out of one.

So, when God graciously and mercifully rescues the helpless from the flames of hell, he's forcing them into heaven? When the Good |Samaritan rescued a helpless and all but dead Jew on the side of the road, he was forcing himself upon the crime victim?

Arminianism (a theological system that loudly and proudly touts "free" will) breeds some pretty sick ideas...

There you go again, scoffing Gods Truth

Arrogantly condemning every Tom Dick and Harry to the Lake of fire is okay?