Understanding God’s election

There's no verse in scripture that teaches that God's election is contingent upon man's choices...or that his election is contingent on His foreknowledge of man's choices. You had better consult with your "good teacher" before you embarrass yourself further. The bible teaches that God works all things according to the counsel of his own will -- not his moral agents' will (Eph 1:11).

Where is your faith? Why can't you believe Eph 1:11? And what part of "all" don't you get?

Trash Romans nine? Of course not.
I only admonish those who CHOOSE to trash the true intended meaning of it.

And believe me, you have NO IDEA of what is being communicated therein. Like zero.

[Rom 9:3 KJV]
For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

[Rom 9:4 KJV]
Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;

[Rom 9:5 KJV]
Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

[Rom 9:6 KJV]
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Another thought occurred to me (thanks to the Holy Spirit) re Rom 9:21 which reads:

Rom 9:21
21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
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He won't give you an honest answer. He's as duplicitous as they come. In his heart of hearts, he probably feels that he's entitled to salvation because he lived up to his part of the salvation arrangement. God is now indebted to him.

with IN being pregnant/fraught with that meaning in EPH 1:3, 4

They loved hearing that man is totally depraved. It justified their self hatred.

psychological eisegesis overlay

Romans 11:32 God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on all.

May I remind y'all that the doctrine of predestination can be harmonized with the doctrine of volition by understanding election as God electing a POS to elect potentially all humanity, whom He loves and atoned for, if they exercise their God-given grace of volition to accept His offer of grace IN Christ, with IN being pregnant/fraught with that meaning in EPH 1:3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 13, 15, 2:6 ("with" in 2:5-6), etc. LIC

I'm sure God asked first.

Yes, I have also thought this for many years now, total inability/depraved is not scriptural
it is a psychological eisegesis overlay on the scripture.
This is obvious if one examines the lives of the originators of this doctrine.

"the originators of this doctrine" are none other than God's people who wrote the NT verses!

"the originators of this doctrine" are none other than God's people who wrote the NT verses!

Every single proof text Calvinists use is removed and interpreted outside of its context,
so no Paul did not teach Calvinism and neither did Jesus.

Predestined for what?

You presume way too much.

He predestined that you would be born during the Church age.

Why?

Because you were chosen in Him before the foundations of the world.

Why does it say? "Chosen in Him?"

Where was the woman's body while Adam was yet alone?
Her body was "in" Adams body.

When we are resurrected?
He could point to us and proclaim!

Now, this is bone of my everlasting bones, and glorious flesh of my glorious everlasting flesh!

Like Eve was to Adam...
We are the Bride of Christ!
We are hidden in Him and seated with Him right now in heavenly places!

That's what we were chosen for - God having known we would choose to believe.

God sis not predestine Moses to believe in the Church age.
For Moses was not chosen in Him before the foundations of the world!



We shall be made holy and blameless in our resurrection bodies, having a body just like his own glorious body!





That is what God predestined us for!