Would Christ Vote?

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posthuman

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There would not be wolves in the hen house if people (including Christians) did what they are supposed to be doing over the past 100 hundreds years rather be duped my the "end times" fiasco
everyone who wishes to rule over others is a wolf - you're mistaken if you think there is a 'good choice' in worldly politics: there are only bad ones.
 

HeIsHere

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everyone who wishes to rule over others is a wolf - you're mistaken if you think there is a 'good choice' in worldly politics: there are only bad ones.
No there are leaders and there could be more good leaders if Christians followed what Jesus told them to be in the world.
And no I am not mistaken.
 

tourist

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If Christ voted, He would do a write-in and vote for Himself. ;)

(Somehow, I just cannot see Him voting for anyone else.)
Maybe Jesus wears a MAGA hat? The fact is God appointed Trump to be the 45th president and the 47th president.
 

Subhumanoidal

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CC is not unlike sitting in the synagogue teaching and hearing the he teaching of others.

so in that light i would say He would spend no small amount of time.

but if you really think this is all worthless, what are you doing here, and what is actually worthwhile?

He appeared at just the right time. today is not that time.
I doubt sitting in a synagogue included name calling, mud slinging, personal attacks, calling people heretics, calling them unsaved, divisiveness, constant arguing, etc...
I don't see Christ sitting behind a computer, on one forum site, for hours and hours a day.
He seemed to be out among people and trying to bring people to God, performing miracles, etc...

As far as your last paragraph, what you said was entirely my point. We could look at a lot of things and say "Jesus never did that, so neither should we", and I've seen it on here numerous times on a variety of topics. But obviously there needs to be realistic limits to this notion.
 

Subhumanoidal

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Zero. But seeing as you are here as well, maybe that's not the best way to make your point, which was what again?
My point was you could take many things and say Christ didn't do them, but that doesn't mean it's wrong to do them or that the comparison doesn't work.

As far as why I'm here, typically less than an hour a day, is I'm disabled. Have been for 15 years now. I don't leave my house except for doctor/hospital visits or to see my 91 year old father who is in a long term care facility.
After I moved here I didn't have a chance to make friends because I was looking for work and before I could find any I fell sick. So the only friends I have are online.
Yet I still try to make use of my time on here trying to help others when I'm able.
 

posthuman

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No there are leaders and there could be more good leaders if Christians followed what Jesus told them to be in the world.
And no I am not mistaken.
He did not tell us to seek to be leaders of governments, but instead specifically to desire to live quiet, simple lives, working with our hands.
so, what kind of men and women seek worldly power? either those ignorant of scripture or those who reject it.

hence: no good choices. only wolves.
 

posthuman

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I doubt sitting in a synagogue included name calling, mud slinging, personal attacks, calling people heretics, calling them unsaved, divisiveness, constant arguing, etc...
how many synagogues have you been to?

lol, no none is claiming we do a good job at what we try to do.
OK at least i am not :LOL:


As far as your last paragraph, what you said was entirely my point. We could look at a lot of things and say "Jesus never did that, so neither should we", and I've seen it on here numerous times on a variety of topics. But obviously there needs to be realistic limits to this notion.

cool.
agreed (y)
 

Publican

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My point was you could take many things and say Christ didn't do them, but that doesn't mean it's wrong to do them or that the comparison doesn't work.

As far as why I'm here, typically less than an hour a day, is I'm disabled. Have been for 15 years now. I don't leave my house except for doctor/hospital visits or to see my 91 year old father who is in a long term care facility.
After I moved here I didn't have a chance to make friends because I was looking for work and before I could find any I fell sick. So the only friends I have are online.
Yet I still try to make use of my time on here trying to help others when I'm able.
Thank you for the clarification. I live alone in the woods far from town. So if I had any friends they would be online as well.
Jesus never went bowling, I get your point, I shouldn't quit bowling because Christ never did.
But this is a bit different, and I think we have enough information from scripture to conclude that Christ did not involve Himself in politics, and that was my point.
I commend your self control. Were I disabled I might not be as judicious with my time. Give your dad a hug from one of your online friends.
 

ResidentAlien

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Is not Christ our example?
Should we not follow that example?
Christ was unconcerned with the political system He lived under.
He had bigger fish to multiply.
Shouldn't we?
He might vote, I really don't know. But one thing I do know is He wouldn't vote for either candidate who ran in this past election. The whole idea of Jesus voting is ridiculous though.
 

GWH

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Jesus and Paul sought to convert "voters" to supporting God's values.
Vote means elect, so Jesus would elect voters who would elect the more godly person.
 

hornetguy

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Is not Christ our example?
Should we not follow that example?
Christ was unconcerned with the political system He lived under.
He had bigger fish to multiply.
Shouldn't we?
um.... sort of a moot point, is it not?
The people of Jesus' time did not have the right to vote. They were ruled by the Romans. I'm pretty sure the concept of "elections" was non-existent, which is probably why it was not addressed by Jesus.

He simply said to follow what your RULERS said... we need to decide for ourselves what that principle means to us, individually, when deciding to vote, or not vote. It's a matter of conscience.
 

p_rehbein

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Is not Christ our example?
Should we not follow that example?
Christ was unconcerned with the political system He lived under.
He had bigger fish to multiply.
Shouldn't we?
Core Biblical Issues All Christians Must Vote On - Harvest

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In a world where secular values often clash with biblical truth, it's crucial that Christians understand their responsibility to engage in the electoral process and to vote. This engagement is not just a civic duty, but a biblical imperative.

Many will rightly remind you that we should not place our eternal hope in political parties or candidates. However, this theological truth doesn't absolve us from the responsibility to be good stewards of our citizenship and to vote.

(here)

Why voting for Christians is a biblical issue
 

HeIsHere

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In a world where secular values often clash with biblical truth, it's crucial that Christians understand their responsibility to engage in the electoral process and to vote. This engagement is not just a civic duty, but a biblical imperative.

Many will rightly remind you that we should not place our eternal hope in political parties or candidates. However, this theological truth doesn't absolve us from the responsibility to be good stewards of our citizenship and to vote.
Amen!!
 
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In a representative democracy citizens are the rulers who invest their authority in representatives to act on their behalf. Defaulting on that responsibility is really no different that failing to rule ourselves, which enables sin to rule by default
 

Cameron143

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The question isn't what would Jesus do. The question is what would Jesus do if He is living in you?
 

PennEd

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Is not Christ our example?
Should we not follow that example?
Christ was unconcerned with the political system He lived under.
He had bigger fish to multiply.
Shouldn't we?
Not concerned with politics!?

If the Jews would have accepted Him He would have set up a POLITICAL Throne on Earth at that time, instead of when He comes back.

Whether He would have voted or not, is moot since there was no elections in His day.

But if there were, he would have written in Himself.
 

stilllearning

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Is not Christ our example?
Should we not follow that example?
Christ was unconcerned with the political system He lived under.
He had bigger fish to multiply.
Shouldn't we?
Christ had a different purpose and mission from the Father than we do. When his was finished he was taken from this earth while he prayed that we be left here. So while I am in full agreement that we are to follow Christ and he be our example. This is not exactly a apples to apples comparison.

Paul would be however, Paul said follow me as I follow Christ. Paul was a citizen of Rome so he would have had the right to vote. We have no clue if he ever did or not vote on any issues that Roman citizens would have voted on. However, citizenship does have rights. Paul used them and had no problem using his rights under the political system.

When he was jailed with no trial he had no problem letting them know he was a Roman and they had no right to jail him. He then embarrassed the rulers that locked him up by demanding they come and release him.

He also appealed to Caesar as was his right and we can in Acts see how he using this right, it put him before kings and authorities to declare Christ.

So I would say getting involved or not getting involved as Christians would be a matter of conscience. So I would say for Christians to violate their conscience would be wrong. I would also think that the ones who do involve themselves see themselves as the stronger brother. I would also say that those who don't involve themselves see themselves as the stronger brother.

So with both sides seeing themselves as the stronger brother the bible lets us know that we then should not give offense to the weaker and let them be to serve God as their conscience dictates.