The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation

Unfortunately, God disagrees with you, because He said “BAPTISM DOES NOW SAVE US.” 1 Peter 3:21. AND Jesus disagrees with you, because He said, “He that believes and IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED.” Mark 16:16. In Acts 2:38, God says “Repent and BE BAPTIZED FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINs.” And in Acts 22:16, God told Paul to “…be baptized and WASH AWAY YOUR SINS.” You might be surprised to know that thousands of people still believe what the Bible teaches about baptism. And although “faith only” is the more popular doctrine, James 2:24 assures me that it will not save anyone. In addition, God tells me not to be surprised because the broad way is the more popular way with many people going that way. The gospel of Christ was never the popular way, being too narrow, so I don’t expect many people will be on that road. I think I am in good company, as long as I have the Bible backing me.

As for the thief on the cross, you do err not knowing the scriptures (Matt. 22:29). You do not know if the thief was baptized or not. He could have been since “all Judea, Jerusalem and all the region around Jordan came out to be baptized by John Matt. 3:5 and Jesus and His disciples baptized more than John. John 4:1. So my question is, how do you know the thief was not baptized? Do you have some knowledge that the rest of us do not have?

More importantly, though, is the fact that the thief was never commanded to be baptized. He lived and died under the old law of Moses given to Jews. The new law of Christ that taught baptism for remission of sins had not yet been preached. Luke 24:46 says, “ It was necessary that Christ should suffer and be raised from the dead on the third day and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations BEGINNING IN JERUSALEM.” That prophecy was fulfilled in Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost with Jews from all nations when Peter preached “Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins.” Acts 2:38. The thief on the cross had been dead for 50 days before that was first preached. So you see it was never a commandment for him. But it IS a commandment for us since we live on THIS side of Acts 2:38.

You should do a very thorough study of baptism in the New Testament. You will find, among other things, that EVERY person who was converted in the book of Acts was baptized IMMEDIATELY, after they believed. Paul in 1 Cor. 1 said there were two conditions that must be met before a person could “call” himself (by name) after another person. 1) was that the person you are naming yourself after had to have been CRUCIFIED for you. And 2) you had to have been baptized into that person’s name. He was correcting them because they wanted to name themselves after men—like men have done today. Martin Luther would not qualify for you to call yourself after him because he was not crucified for you. So people who call themselves “Lutherans” are doing so erroneously. Like wise, if you want to be called after Christ,it’s true He was crucified for you, but guess what? You have to be baptized into His name in order to be called “Christian” after Him. That’s what Paul says—not me. I didn’t say it and I didn’t make it up. So what about all of these so called Christians who think they will be saved by “faith only” and that baptism is not necessary? I think they will be some of the ones inMatthew 7 who were “believers”—strong believers—but Christ says I never knew you. If they were not baptized in His name they were never part of Him. This (Matthew 7) is one of the best “proofs” that Faith only does not save anyone.

In a nut shell: for those living before Christ; they must have been faithful followers of Jehovah keeping whatever law they were under—whether the old Jewish law of animal sacrifices and the 10 commandments or whether they were gentiles living under the “ patriarchal law”. Those who loved, and served Jehovah would have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus.. If His blood can reach FORWARD and cleanse us 2000 years this side of the cross, His blood can also reach BACKWARD and cleanse those living thousands of years BEFORE the cross. This is what is taught in Hebrews 9:15. The blood of Jesus saves everyone. This is how the patriarchs like Job, Adam, Abraham, Issac Jacob, and Joseph are saved—just like us, by the blood of Christ which is applied to all of God’s faithful followers.

For those people today who do not know God—regardless of the reason and there could be several reasons why they do not know Him—according to 2 Thess.1 they will be lost. Jesus said you cannot come to the Father except by Him. How can they be saved if they don’t know God? Those people have to obey God’s plan of salvation as it is given in scripture just like we do. God is no respecter of persons. His law is the same for everyone.

I read that the term kerygma came to refer to the essentials of the gospel message at sometime after the word was used in the New Testament.

But this is an important topic. I've taken to prayerfully pointing out to preachers when they do a 'challenge' at the end of the message and leave out the resurrection and sometimes the crucifixion (trying to come up with a name for it. When I was a kid, there were more 'altar calls', but now they keep the people in the connected seats that replaced the pews.)

When Paul explained the gospel in I Corinthians 15, he included the fact that Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that He was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Then he starts talking about witnesses, then includes himself and goes into other topics.

Luke 24 contains a good summary from the mouth of Christ, that the Messiah had to suffer, be buried, and rise again from the dead according to the scriptures, and that repentance and remission of sins are to be preached in His name to all nations. He said, 'ye are witnesses of these things.'

In my own lifetime, I've seen evangelism and altar calls go from preaching the cross and (hopefully) the resurrection, with an emphasis on Christ dying for our sins... to a little sermon add on about religion being supposedly bad and relationship good.... so why don't you repeat this prayer to receive Jesus--who I haven't told you about today.

It's as if repeating a prayer to 'receive Christ' is the same as receiving Christ. I would say this approach is based on John 1 where it says that as many as received Him received power to become the sons of God. I'd say that's an influence on the phrase 'receive Christ.' But I think the modern prayer is based on 'monkey see, monkey do', relying on ritual instead of knowledge of scripture, and the tendency of evangelicalism to be reductionist. Preachers grew up with the sinner's prayer ritual, and learned it as it gradually got reduced to exclude the gospel, as it became a little tag on after a message that does not preach the risen Christ.

The sinner's prayer as we know it is about 70 years old. Billy Graham used to preach the death, and resurrection of Christ. He had prayer counselors to counsel people after a meeting, going through points of the gospel, and they had a little prayer at the end of their booklet to serve as a confession of faith where the individual confessed himself as a sinner, acknowledged faith in Christ as Lord and that He died for his (or her) sins and rose again. Many evangelicals adapted the ritual of repeating the prayer as the part that saves instead of the gospel part.

In line with the so-called 'Great Commission' passage in Matthew 28 and the preaching and practice of apostles like Peter and Paul, I believe it is appropriate to offer someone baptism after presenting the gospel, at least if they are ready. I notice Paul did not offer baptism at the Aeropagus while dealing with pagans when he had to start with explaining who God is, different from his ministry to Jews. But he did baptize a jailor in Philippi, no doubt after sufficient explanation.

I could go into evangelical concepts regarding salvation being in internal supernatural transformation versus the 'intellectual' aspect of affirming and believing points of the gospel and historical facts, but tat would make my message even longer.

1 Tim 2:1-4 is about praying for the lost. It is through prayer and preaching that people come to the knowledge of the truth. ie, Mark 16:15-16, John 3:3-5, Acts 2:4, 33, 36-42, etc.

"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." 1 Tim 2:1-4

FAITH in the SIN OFFERING made by Jesus on the cross.

Oh, I'm certain that God disagrees with me, on quite a few topics. But here's the thing friend. When he's ready, and if its necessary, He'll straighten me out. Always has. Always will.

You see, I'm not of the mind that you and I have to agree on everything to be brothers in Christ. Or that its my job to bring you over to my side. That's Gods job.

And while you may be correct. And you absolutely may be, or maybe you're so totally off base that the Good Lord is just sitting up there shaking His head. Either way, I'll tell you what He's not doing. He's not wagging His finger at you, or me.

I'm going to heaven, heck, heaven is here right now, right inside of me. And it might be inside of you. I don't know. What I do know is that Jesus Christ gave me a new heart and a new mind, a living Spirit. And He did every bit of this months before I was baptized.

Now if the gifts of the Lord are without repentance. And they are. Jesus was mine from that moment forward, and I was His.

I walked an isle and said all the right things when I was 10. I got a bible and warm bath. And that's all I got. I confessed with my mouth and even got baptized, but I did not believe in my heart. No salvation in that. 13 years later. Called out to the heavens. Pull me out of this pit and I will serve you all my days. And He did. Even when He knew I wouldn't keep my end of the bargain till many years later.
Did my faith save me? Nope. Did my prayer save me? Nope. Did baptism save me? Again, no.

My friend, my brother. Christ saved me. Christ pulled me out of the pit. Christ gave me a new life. Christ is the reason, all that He did, all that He is now doing on my behalf, that is what saved me, and is keeping me saved. Christ washed me in His blood. Christ baptized me with His Spirit. And yes, as I said, I eventually went down to the river. But I had been walking in the Spirit and proclaiming the Gospel months before that happened.

Romans 6:3-4 - Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

1 Corinthians 12:13
13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

Acts 11:16
16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized withwater, but you will be baptized withthe Holy Spirit.’

Peace.

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I think water baptism by submersion remains a beautiful rite that portrays the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, but we should think of it as symbolic of our baptism with the Holy Spirit,...

I appreciate learning your testimony. Mine is different, because I was raised by Christian parents and there never was a time that I did not believe in Christ as savior. Thus, I got dunked at the age of ten because it took that long for me to get enough courage to walk the aisle, and it was very meaningful.

I think water baptism by submersion remains a beautiful rite that portrays the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, but we should think of it as symbolic of our baptism with the Holy Spirit, which in my case seems to have occurred according to God's plan A, because I never rejected faith, and the first time I was tempted to doubt was not until I encountered atheism in my college years.

Paul revealed sins are actually destroyed at the point of obedience to the water command. (see verse 6 below) This coincides with what is expressed in Acts 22:16 and elsewhere in scripture. Also, note the condition stated in verse 5; "IF we are buried with Jesus into his death we shall be also in the likeness of Jesus' resurrection. Paul's "IF" verifies the significance of belief and obedience to the counsel of God to be water baptized in the name of Jesus .

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? (Paul's words indicate water baptism is not symbolic) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Romans 6:3-6

What is God's requirement for salvation (GRFS)?

We can do works that express our faith, such as with the examples of faith listed in Hebrews 11 or with James 2:18 saying that he would show his faith by his works, so the significance of our works is not that they are part of what we are required to have done first in order to become saved, but rather the significance is that our works are the way to express our faith and it is by that faith alone that we are being saved. In Titus 2:14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so doing those works as nothing to do with trying to earn our salvation as the result, but rather God graciously teaching us to do be a doer of those works is the way that He is giving us His gift of salvation, which intrinsically requires our participation.

Perhaps y'all haven't thought about this question in detail, so please allow me to go ahead and suggest them.

The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation or Duo of Desirables [DOD, heaven & justice] (JN 3:18).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11), although pre-NT truthseekers could/can learn a proto-gospel (vice the full NT Gospel).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).

Why ask something that He already answered? John 3:16-17. Yes today believers can add so much more weight, burden to new believers... He does not. We have no say here.. we do not save anyone. Our words do not save anyone. That new man which only a GOD creates.. yeah He did it. Some just a thought.. some cry out beg. Some are scared into be saved as in turn or burn yet He does not will not turn away anyone that comes to Him. Anyone everyone that calls on His name shall be saved period

Because the doctrine of perseverance/apostasy has been debated on other threads, I see no need to beat a dead horse and will move on to what I refer to as Spiritual Dynamics.

Perseverance serves as the bridge from GRFS (the kerygma) to learning God's Word (LGW) regarding various teachings (the didache) subsequent to learning the Gospel. Jesus taught that the evidence of saving faith or satisfying GRFS is working faith or helping humanity (JN 13:35). Disciples of Jesus (or Believers) tend to love and help others, not by virtue of their own goodness, but because they are moved or motivated by the indwelling loving Spirit of the Lord (1JN 4:7-8).

Humans can never become good enough to earn or merit salvation as a reward for right behavior. A person cannot be good by doing good. Those who try to attain heaven by imitating Christ-like behavior without accepting Christ’s Lordship and atonement actually go in the opposite direction (GL 5:4), so we should cooperate with God’s Way.

No one achieves moral perfection in this life, but no one who lacks divine love will reap eternal life with God (GL 6:7-8). Thus, a person who claims to be godly but who is behaving in an ungodly (unloving, untruthful) manner may be in one of the following categories:

a. a normally loving person observed during a rare moment when he/she acted uncharacteristically (PHP 3:12-16),

b. an immature Believer, who is making progress–you should have known him/her a year ago! (1CR 3:1-3, EPH 4:11-15)

c. a truthseeker who has not yet learned the correct interpretation of God’s Word (1CR 6:9-11, EPH 5:8-9), or

d. a pseudo-Christian (MT 7:21), who may affirm morality while rejecting its divine rationale.