Gods will vs mans free will

You mean it appears for a time that God does not get His way. What God wills always comes to pass. That He allows for human and angelic agency doesn't keep His will from coming to pass. It actually allows God to do both good for those He loves, and frustrates the wicked. We are more than conquerors. God uses what Satan and others would use to harm us, and defeats them with it. In this way, He wins on our behalf employing the enemies methods and tools against them.

It is rather amazing how much wool gathering gets done in the name of "free will" isn't it?

Burst out laughing at that sweet friend, just so true!

Feeling a lot better today, nosing around CChat a little but will have an early night. Blessings and hugs for now

You mean it appears for a time that God does not get His way. What God wills always comes to pass. That He allows for human and angelic agency doesn't keep His will from coming to pass. It actually allows God to do both good for those He loves, and frustrates the wicked. We are more than conquerors. God uses what Satan and others would use to harm us, and defeats them with it. In this way, He wins on our behalf employing the enemies methods and tools against them.

@LifelongLearner you know what else is amazing? So-called Christians opposing the fact
that those things said of the flesh do not apply to the natural man, but only to Christians!

I am just now updating the natural man panel... and I put some finishing touches on this one
earlier this morning also, after my pre-six a.m. rising LOL though it was started on the 4th.
I started three on that day and then had a moment of needing to step away from it all...

This verse was chosen after reading something @Rufus said, which I could not find again after navigating away...


From Colossians 1:9-12 We ask God to fill you with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, so that you may walk in a manner worthy of the Lord and may please Him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, being strengthened with all power according to His glorious might so that you may have full endurance and patience, and joyfully giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the light.

Hadn't heard of The Natural Man term sweet friend, think this looks a decent article about it:

https://devotion.knowing-jesus.com/the-natural-man

Cheers Magenta, going offline soon to rest, hugs and Blessings for now

"That He allows for human and angelic agency doesn't keep His will from coming to pass."

Totally agree with that Cameron, i too think we have some agency but not free will. Genuine free will would mean having the ability to make an unfettered choice, which we don't have even in our current existence.

Currently think there might be at least two tiers of Salvation, a directly elected who God called possibly through his foreknowledge or just loving them, like he did David and some others. However, think there are just too many scriptures showing God would love all to be saved, so think it's possible for some to show enough promise for God to think they're worth the effort. There does seem to be a hierarchical system in Heaven, which i have no problems with, better the lowest seat in heaven than the top seat in hell. Personally think it's definitely to God's glory depriving satan of our company in hell, where possible.

Do like Pastor Mike Winger's videos very much and think he has a very healthy viewpoint on limited atonement:

https://biblethinker.org/responding-to-calvinist-arguments-for-limited-atonement/

We seem to agree then, that God does not get His own way in every instance all the time.

Not exactly. I believe God's will is being accomplished in His relenting. You are limiting God's will to isolated incidents. I see God accomplishing His will in a series of events.

Great man-centered theology you have.

When the ancient Israelites were enslaved to Pharaoh in Egypt, why didn't they just exercise their "free will" and walk out of Egypt since they complained so much about their predicament?

Death entered the world as a result of man's sin. One man. His name was Adam.

Yes, true it was Adam CHOOSING to sin because Satan had deceived Eve and she CHOSE to eat the fruit and give it to Adam… choices…choices…choices…

Satan put us under the curse of Death which took Life as a choice away from us.

So, do you think God desires/wills everything that ever happens?

We do have the moral capacity to love and we have the moral capability/capacity to respond, understand and believe in the promises offered by Christ Jesus (in His Word) and His offering of the gift of salvation to whomever will believe in Him for it.

Thank you for your clear response.. it is something when we have to state the obvious both seen in reality and in scripture.

Quite different from saying it was Satan's doing...



Men having and or making choices does not equate to having a will that is free. Scripture teaches something quite different
than that, since the devil has taken people captive to his will, and the natural man is a slave to sin until they are set free.

Everyone has free-will. Everyone has a Day of Visitation.

I am very grateful to have CHOSEN Jesus Christ on the Day of Visitation He appointed for me.

Jesus Christ did NOT rescue me, He gave me a choice. I chose Him, LIFE.

We seem to agree then, that God does not get His own way in every instance all the time.

Day of visitation? Well, I don't see free will taught in Scriptures. They say the opposite.
A whole lot of verses have to be thrown over to accept the man made tradition of "free will."


Man's depravity vs God's Grace

No, do NOT throw any scriptures overboard! Just ask the Holy Spirit for the Truth in sweet humility ask Him.